MinisForum MS-01 - Owners Thread

I suppose the only stumbling block could be a suitable psu for the converter. I've asked if they can help with that
Yeah, the converter would be the biggest query, especially ensuring that it doesn't run super hot either.

For that price though its probably worth a shot as if its not right just refund it and buy one from a UK seller or a different model :)
 
Yer tis lol...
Had some free time this afternoon so thought why not have a go...
10gtek dual 10gb rj45 nic fitted, had to cut off some of the half size bracket but no other fitting issues. Manufacture said fan not required but I've done it anyway given the compact build. Used my dremmel with some cutting discs to mod the cover. Had plenty of small nuts and bolts from RC modelling days so they came in handy.
£9, 3 x speed fan from amazon running off a usb port using 1.5w on maximum speed.. I have found the low setting seems fine at the moment extracting from the card so will see how that goes. My watt meter says the ms01 is using between 25 and 30w depending on what it's doing on the test bench including the fan on low. I'll be swapping it with my n100 mini pfsensev live firewall tomorrow hopefully. Good box but no 10gb interfaces so the ms01 will fully integrate with my 10gb lan &wan now...
Some pics. I'm no dremmel king so excuse any roughness haha :)
My friend printed my this free plan vertical stand I found. Looks good I think.

Thanks for your help and advice along the way. I'm sure I'll be back with questions in time haha..

Just need to get minisforum to refund the duty which is proving difficult even after they said they would....
Cracking work, that looks like a pretty clean mod!!

No worries on the questions, any help I can give I'm happy to, likewise keep us updated on the unit and its temps as it may end up being a fairly popular modification if it stays cool, especially with RJ45 10G installed as well :)
 
Thanks. I just wish I knew how I could check the temps if even possible under pfsense. Under unbuntu I could use sensors for some info but I'm not sure how or if you can do this with pfsense. I have disabled the x710 for now in the bios as its not needed.
Pfsense reports core temps at 28. It's pretty hot at top of the house given the temps today on test so likely to be a bit cooler in the rack in the garage.
Wonder what the operating temps are for this processor? (I was looking at the wrong unit lol!)

The n100 with no cooling, just a massive heatsink cover runs at 53....
If its like OPNsense I think you can get extensions that'll let you measure the temperature :)
 
hi there.
things are looking up. made some good progress so thought I would update. Originally I was using the of the rj45 2.5gb on board nics for the wan side connection and using one of the 10gb rj45 ports on the 10gtek card for the lan side but I kept getting "wan in" errors on pfsense or opnsense. All other interfaces and directions were fine. The errors would increase as activity happened across the WAN port. I tried both 2.5gb ports and this happened regardless wether I used them as a lan or wan port.... so that seems odd. I tested it on both platforms and both have the same issue. Now wether this is the driver, the cards or the firmware I'm not sure. I needed to find some sort of solution so it dawned on me my ONT has the 10gb port as well as the lower speed port so I setup opnsesne using both rj45 ports on the pci card, 1 for lan and 1 for the wan (ONT). Much to my surprise it worked first time. No further issues with "WAN IN" errors and I have my 10gb rj45 solution for both sides of my network along with a low power high speed device. Wont need to use any media converters or sfp to rj45 converters etc. I know its more than likely overkill for opnsense but it now meets all my requirements without any further equipment etc.

I left the fan on which I fitted and it sits right over the heatsink of the 10gb card and I think temps are looking good on the cpu side. I have since now moved it to being my live box and temps have changed very little with much more traffic going across.

Fingers crossed its finally ready to roll! - the debate now is I guess I need to get another one at some point as a back up in case it goes down through hardware failure!

couple of pics

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opnsense dash with core temps

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Its pulling around 26-30w which I'm happy with.

great to finally get there!
Marvellous stuff, glad to hear that progres is being made :)

Regarding the 2.5Gbit ports on the MS-01. I haven't had any stability issues with them however they do seem to be a bit painful to work with as in Server 2022 the drivers for them have to be bodged to work on one of the units since Intel doesn't have any official drivers to use for "Server" grade operating systems and the other for love nor money can I get the AMT function to work for OOB management. It seems that the better option is to go the route you have and to use PCI-e add in cards for anything that needs a truly stable network connection on the units :)

26-30w is great and is the real push with these sort of units, don't get me wrong they are by no means enterprise grade but the amount of power you get in these considering the form factor and power consumption is amazing

I've added a third unit into my setup to use as a backup hypervisor and to host my Veeam VM and like my other two hosts it's loaded with an additional X710-DA2 card for 4x 10Gbit connectivity and it works just as good as the first two.

One discovery I did make is that it appears to have made it back to Minisforum HQ that the thermal paste being shipped with the units was poor as out of the box it had a noticeable thermal improvement so it appears that is consistently fixed going forward. I've still re-pasted the unit as whilst it was improved with the X710-DA2, 2x 32GB DIMMs and 2x 1TB NVMe SSDs it was still pushing 55c when under small loads (Admittedly with regular spikes to 55c but between 30 and 40) however after the MX4 was applied it now tops at 47 as a peak.

It's becoming a bit of an addictive habbit getting a hold of them :D
 
thanks for the info. I assume you have to get under that rubber block to re-paste it? any tips on that? thanks - I think I would probably leave it for now unless the temps rocket but useful to know how to do it. I finally got my payment back - was not straight forward and took way over a week of chasing but got there in the end thankfully.
Glad to hear you got your money back from them :)

As for heat pasting, yes, you can poke 4 holes in the foam block with a screw driver to get to the heatsink screws. Once undone it's just a case of removing it, clearing up the old stuff, putting on the new stuff and re-screwing it back ony (

It's a decent heatsink with some bits to prevent over tightening and there's plenty of room incase too much thermal paste is applied. Overall it's quite easy (I think I put the measurements to the screws/a link to measurements earlier if needed)

If it's working fine without though I'd leave it as is, I'm just OCD when it comes to temps :)
 
Hi . Any chance you could measure where those screw holes are for the heatsink please. I'm having a couple of pfsense panics and the error doesn't seem to point to anything specific so I would like to check the thermal paste anyway and carry out a memory test at the same time.

Many thanks
I don't have the exact measurements to hand however on the ServeTheHome forums link on one of the earlier posts there is a user who has the measurements photographed on there :)
 
Hey,

I've just started looking at these.

What's the opinion on getting 2 of these for a proxmox cluster.

Is the newer AMD version with considering?

I'm planning on getting 2 and putting into a server rack.

Thanks
I run two in a Hyper-V cluster and it works great, I know Proxmox prefers you to have 3 nodes unless you are using a monitor device such as an RPI etc but if you have that it should be fine.

The AMD one I wouldn't bother with personally, it lacks the extra network connectivity and PCI-e slot meaning if you are wanting to wire up additional storage you are out of luck
 
I have ordered the rack mount that holds both the MS01 units. It's actually a 1.66U. it takes 4 weeks to arrive so ready for my Christmas build.

I have a couple of questions. I'm planning on just going 2x 48gb ram sticks (96GB) for each unit.

Does the i5 CPU support 96gb ram
Do I need to re-apply thermal paste

Am I going to regret getting the i5 CPU in the long run. Does the 13900H use more power, what's the pros cons. It's another £400 stepping up from i5 so that's another consideration.
  • In theory the unit supports 96GB of RAM which has been tested with Corsair and Crucial modules from my understanding
  • Yes, I would definitely recommend replacing the thermal paste with something decent, the stock paste isn't great
The 13900H will use more power and the crucial element is it generates more heat, if you are running two of these units next to each other in a rack I think you will be better off with the i5 unit however even then you may want some sort of fan unit near them just to keep them fed with passive airflow.

For actual power to run work, the i5 should be fine unless you are doing something extreme :)
 
96gb will run at 4800 in the i5
Good to know!

I'm gonna do a post in the next few weeks on how to get the Intel AMT working for remote access as I think I have almost managed to get it working for KVM using a variety of guides online. It works for power management but I'm struggling to get it working for KVM as Meshmini keeps timing out (It could just be a Meshmini issue)

I've also tried Server 2025 on the unit this week and that runs with zero issues (Other than the issues that are related to Server 2025) :)
 
Thanks guys,

I'm going i5, I'll do the repaste. I'll email minis first regards the import duty. I'll do that later as I'm unsure the wait on delivery.

A few final questions.

If I drop ram to 64gb will it run 5600
I'll have 1x NVME for proxmox OS (256gb or similar but high write capabilities )
1x NVME for VMs
1x 4TB SSD for storage

To link the Proxmox machines 1x dac cable, then 1x dac cable to link proxmox machine 1 to my switch.

Does the above make sense. Anything else I'm missing.
Im running 64GB 5600 here with no issues (Corsair DIMMs if it makes any difference) :)

When it comes th the M.2 and SSDs, just to confirm the unit supports 3x M.2 SSDs or 1x U.2 and 2x M.2 SSDs. It doesn't support any SATA drives to my knowledge so as long as the 4TB SSD is U.2 (And fits within the size constraints of the unit) you should be fine

I've not got much experience with Proxmox but you should be fine with the DAC to link the units and then using it to connect to your switch, if I recall correctly you may be able to use the Thunderbolt ports to link as well :)
 
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I'm trying to determine if one of these is overkill for me or not.

Intention is to use it to run multiple game servers via AMP on proxmox, plus a few more dockers for things like OPNSense, pihole etc etc.

I have an unraid server that's handling media related dockers, but as the hardware is aging a little, I want to move any game related services off that to save on the overhead.

Edit: for context it's to upgrade from a micro pc (710q) with a 6500T and 64GB ram
If the 6500T is running fine then the MS-01 may be overkill however if you want more head room its likely the best value unit available of you dont want a bigger form factor.

The other benefit is the newer CPU means they dont use a great deal of power :)
 
The 4 cores / threads are the limiting factor really, so I know I won't be able to use it much beyond the 2 games it's currently hosting.

I was torn between this ond the AMD 6900H / 5800H based systems
I see, I guess it depends if networking is going to be an issue etc as the main reason I would go for the MS-01 over the other units is the network connectivity and extra PCIe slot for expansion.

If networking and storage expansion is something you'll need go for the MS-01, if not if you can get the other units cheaper they might be a better fit :)
 
How do these get on with 10Gbe SFP+ modules? I'm assuming having two would be too much heat for them to handle, but one should be ok? I've been considering replacing my current 'server' mini PC with one, which I run Proxmox on with a dozen VMs/LXCs. Howver, I'm struggling to justify it as I only load up my current processor (8500T) to about 10-15% on average.
I wouldn't advise using more than one and if you are make sure there is some extra cooling for the unit (Mini heatsinks and fans etc)

What you could do as an alternative is get a PCI-e 10GE add in card and then make sure that is cooled, @skyeci100 made some modifications on their unit too cool their RJ45 card :)
 
I've emailed minisforum for an update to delivery so I will reply once I get a response.

I'm planning on 2x 4tb nvme in mirror zfs for storage and for VMs etc, then a 500gb or 1tb ssd for the Proxmox OS. Is there an issue with this configuration?

Can the NVME drives have heatsinks or must I get the ones without?

To use the 10gb do I just link both the minis units together with a SFP then 1 of the units to my switch with a sfp?
As long as the SSD is U.2 you should be fine, to my knowledge and after stripping mine down last night these units do not take SATA drives (As in SATA connector)

In terms of heatsinks, if they are low profile ones you should be fine, in the box they include a heat sink if you want to use one (Or mine did anyway)

For 10G it depends how you want to use it, in Proxmox I believe you could link the MS-01s with one and then link the other to the switch for each of the units. Or you could have them both plugged into the switch, entirely up to you I think :)
 
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