Ministers discover private sector is rubbish

Nutella33 said:
not that anyone involved in covering for g4s will see any of that 2.5million or the fact that subsequent losses to the company dont avoid the fact that if there was no pool of public service experience to fall back to we would have had a massive problem on our hands that would have ended up costing the whole country much more than 50million pounds. by the way the contract was for 285million so they still made a decent profit despite failing to fufill the contract. 285 million to the armed forces would have been much more effective and possibly saved thousands of permanent jobs instead of creating a few thousand temporary ones.
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I don't mean to be rude but what's the weather like on the planet you live on?

Talk about fighting fact with fiction...
 
He never wants to properly discuss anything. Just his usual formula of completely false, hyperbole ridden topic. The classic RSS (often unsourced) feed OP. Then goes on later in the thread to respond quasi-rationally to try and turn peoples instant dismissal of him around to discredit them in an attempt to strengthen w/e agenda hes pushing today. Tiresome stuff Mr. Stockhausen.
 
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Stretch said:
It's true. The private sector can't be trusted to provide services in large scale, naturally monopolistic sectors. The trouble is, neither can the state.
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Strange the NHS is efficient and effective in what it does against international benchmarks... not saying it can't do better or there is not better care elsewhere - there is people just pay a lot more for it.
 
FoxEye said:
Since the OP included a bit about railways...

Isn't it true that the best railways in the world are state owned/run?

And that ours - which has been private for years - is pretty much the worst in Europe?
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ours were privately run at the start... the railways came about as a result of private enterprise and initially run by private companies who owned both the trains and the track they ran on - basically they were privately owned for the first 100+ years of their existence... nationalised for 50 years and then ended up privatised into the farce we have today...
 
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lol the private sector is rubbish due to an isolated incident.

Whereas the public sector demonstrates a high level of competency across the board?

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalolstockhausenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You crack me up!
 
The G4S issues has nothing to do with it being a profit driven organization. The problems arouse due to the nature of the contract and the long running problems with the security establishment. I was moaning about the security contracts 2 years ago. I just knew that the contracts would be bloated and a waste of money. They could have easily got away with it and i am sure organizations that get government contracts enjoy taking the **** in a similar way. This is not a problem of private sector, this is a problem of state funded programs in general. Some people have said that the military was always going to be called in, since the Americans moaned about security and israelis making sure everyone thinks about Madrid 74 every 10 mins, there was over zealous security from the on set. They just used the G4S issues as an excuse to go over the top. They had missiles on roof tops etc, you think G4S supplied those? IF you look at the winter Olympics in Canada where they turned the city in to a police state at great expense, it is by no surprise that this security would be taken advantage of by the security establishment. But it has nothing to do with the profit motive, it turned out so poorly for G4S in the end that they will have had their reputation affected and this could cause the corporation to try and improve. This is a market mechanism that we don't see in the public sector, if they public sector don't meet targets, nothing happens.
 
groen said:
This is a market mechanism that we don't see in the public sector, if they public sector don't meet targets, nothing happens.
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The public sector has no choice, it is simply given less funding and resource.

Anyhow, neither the private sector through delivery or the state through procurement and management ever get it right. It isn't a case of one is perfect and one is broken beyond all measure, which seems to be the implication of many - and political policy of some.
 
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