Soldato
When I talk about an unborn child I have always referred to them as "they", at least until their sex is known, and long before the they/them stuff we have now. I dunno why I bring this up though.
Misgendering? Sam Smith is now they or them, not he or him?!
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Soldato
Talentless attention seeker.
He / she / they / it certainly isn't worth 10 pages of discussion.
He / she / they / it certainly isn't worth 10 pages of discussion.
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2 pages... change your settings to "Man sized" pages
Did you just assume his settings
Soldato
My gender is King. Please use my preferred pronouns of 'your majesty' and 'your highness' when talking to me otherwise you are just a bigot
Soldato
You cannot just bin language though. It has to die a little with successive generations through lack of use or context. This is not just words that fall into disuse or are anachronistic but the grammer that rules the constructions of our language. While it is still useful, it will not disappear and is unlikely to be removed by dictat or force.
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NVM
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Fully agree with this to be honest. It's one of those things that grinds my gears that all of a sudden we have to pander to people who obviously have complex mental issues or trying to get back at the world for these. If we aren't careful we are going to end up in a position where people are being locked up for simply saying something someone else does not agree with, heard them talking about this for climate change opinions the other day on the radio and it's scary that it is even being entertained.
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You cannot just bin language though. It has to die a little with successive generations through lack of use or context. This is not just words that fall into disuse or are anachronistic but the grammer that rules the constructions of our language. While it is still useful, it will not disappear and is unlikely to be removed by dictat or force.
The same could have been said about other similar changes that have already happened, such as the removal of most of the rest of gender at a similar level in English. Or the removal of various other pronouns, such as "thou". Explicitly distinguishing between singular ("thou") and plural ("you") was more useful than gendered pronouns. What use do gendered pronouns have?
There is already clear precedent that, at least in English, pronouns can indeed be "just words that fall into disuse or are anachronistic". Just like other words.
I'd like gendered language to be removed from English. Not " by dictat or force" because, as you say, that is unlikely to work. I'm not l'Acadamie Francais
It could be made to work by dictat and force, but I think that the solution would be worse than the problem because imposing changes by dictat or force would require a dangerous degree of authoritarianism. So I'd like gendered language to be slipped into the bin over time, through lack of use. Because it doesn't have any beneficial use. It's only use is to promote sexism. More commonly, it's just used out of habit and without any meaning.Why are you suggesting such a silly thing and why are you trying to associate it with me? It's your suggestion, not mine. I think your suggestion is silly and at best pointless.
Were you trying to make a reductio ad absurdum argument? If so, you failed. The whole point of reductio ad absurdum is that the argument it's being used against must at least potentially lead to the absurdity stated. English does not have different pronouns for people depending on their height, weight, "race", age or the colour of any part of them. There's no path from my position to your absurdity.
I disagree with you about that too.
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English has gender pronouns because it lacks gendered nouns, there isn't many languages that do have gendered pronouns as most are gendered. Infact English is classed as a genderless language because it only has 3 gendered words. They have stuck around as ways of breaking up noun class and most linguists agree they are a grammatical tool useful in contextualising speech and flow rather than the shallow description of male and female. They've survived the 1400 year cut of spoken English development.
He/she may drop off over time, however when 99.99% of English speakers still use them as it helps the grammatical flow, you may be waiting a while. Unless of course one of these loony progressives gets elected and re-enacts the Cultural Revolution
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About 10% of all the posts on this forum are people arguing over page sizes!!2 pages... change your settings to "Man sized" pages
Ok, I'm having "Darth".
Caporegime
Jesus Christ....there's Sapiosexual now apparently (or has been since 2014 or something)
Attracted to clever people essentially
Attracted to clever people essentially
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That's just a term to describe a sexual attraction, like pansexual, zoophile etc. Like naming a new medical condition. In essence it's just describing a real thing.
Caporegime
Just daft.
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Talentless? Do tell us what they would have to do to impress you?
They've clearly done very well for themselves so I don't think they could be accussed of being talentless, just because you don't like the music?
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