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I think survivor is kinda required.....
Didn't you hear? They found her in a basement in Austria...
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Miss Holocaust Survivor......the winner is????
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Didn't you hear? They found her in a basement in Austria...
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Man of Honour
It's not Miss Holocaust Victim :\
Man of Honour
That's one of the funniest one liners I've read on here.
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Because when lots of people want to do something it proves that it's a good idea! ... much like say ... a holocaust? ... wait what?
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Soldato
Unbelievable, why are they celebrating it?!
Because when lots of people want to do something it proves that it's a good idea! ... much like say ... a holocaust? ... wait what?
Since when is a paegent, more like some kind of a party / social gathering comparable to a holocaust?
Maybe because adults should have an unbelievable right to peacefully assemble and celebrate for any reason.
I can believe they and anyone else would hold such a contest as long as there are people willing to apply for it:
I can kind of see this turning into a new ITV reality show - 'Holocaust Survivor's Survival Camp' or something ...
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I assume that would include Neo-nazis peacefully celebrating the millions murdered in death camps also......if they so chose.
Soldato
Yeah I guess so, just seems a very very strange thing to do.
Which would be nothing different to a Mosque or the Westborro Baptist Church.
I've probably seen thousands of worse things than this, 99% of them stuff to do with Christianity or Islam, so IMO theres nothing really wrong with it at all.
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Man of Honour
It's a strange but after what they've been through I can see the funny side of this. Good luck to them with the next one.
Some of the nonsense the Westboro Church come out with is equally if not more inappropiate, however while I am sure that some Imams are as bad, if not worse than the Westboro, you betray your own irrational prejudice by making a sweeping generalisation about all mosques....
Besides, are you saying then that celebrating millions of Jews (and others) being murdered in the death camps is acceptable and appropiate simply because they are doing so peacefully?
Does one act justify another?
You don't think it is even a little inappropiate, given the very valid criticisms made about it....just because some one does something worse, does that make something else acceptable or appropiate?
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It seems at least a little inappropiate, given that they are effectively judging someone's horrific experiences (and appearance) against the experiences of another......
There are better, more appropiate ways of bring attention to the holocaust and the survivors.
Its not inappropriate at all when the survivors volunteered to do that and were more than happy to speak about their experiences.
Well done for taking the Castiel bait yet again, I love it when you do that.
Whether or not I think its acceptable doesnt determine whether or not it should be allowed. This happens all over the world, as well as similar cases as the BNP / EDL / KKK / Supremecist groups, but they have the legal right in any free democracy to ensemble a mass of people for any such cause.
Are you on the other hand trying to say that this Paegent is equal to a Neo Nazi group? Lol. You seem to be very prejudiced against Jews, I'm definitely getting a lot of Anti Semite vibes from your posts in this thread.
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I find this inappropriate and macabre
So it would be appropriate if War Criminals volunteered for "The best War Criminal Pageant" and spoke about their experiences as long as they were happy to do so?
Besides the criticism is not at the women themselves, but at the organisers and the way in which the women are being judged on those experiences...as though one woman's experience has somehow greater value than another woman's experience....not to mention that they are also judging them on appearance in what many Holocaust Survivor groups are deeming a cheap stunt by a cosmetic company....
The Pageant has garnered criticism from Survivor groups across Israel and the world so while I can agree that ultimately it is up to the participants and that the intentions may well be good, it doesn't make it appropriate or free from valid criticism.
Just because people want to participate doesn't automatically mean it is a good idea.
So basically you continue to compare an innocent event of holocaust survivors celebrating their lives and freely choosing to share their life experiences with other people to criminals and neo nazis?
Go go Anti Semite you!
This is more comparable to a group of 70+ year old British war veterans having some kind of celebratory event of their time spent serving in the Army, but feel free to carry on comparing it to only fictitious doom and gloom things.
Just because it isnt a good idea doesnt mean it shouldnt be allowed, otherwise feel free to complain about the X Factor and US child paegents too.
Yes I dont know how to spell paegents, its not even a word I really wanted adding to my vocabulary either.
So? Seems like nothing more than a 'think of the children' type response.
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You mean your innate irrational prejudices......
No I am not, I am saying that just because something is done peacefully and with the free participation of the contestants, doesn't automatically make it appropriate....
And you think that everyone who find the potential devaluing of the atrocities in the Nazi death-camps and is as being anti-Semitic? really?
Does that mean that Colette Avital, chairwoman of Israel's leading Holocaust survivors' umbrella group, and other equally vested people are all in fact antisemites becasue they find this a little inappropriate?....
loltrollbhavv.
Are they trying to compare it on the same level as you are to neo nazi / war criminal groups? Show me a quote where they are otherwise its really just you being an Anti Semite here.
This particular event is vastly more appropriate than any of your examples, so I gain the impression that you think that your examples are the equal of this paegent, otherwise why would you even bother discussing them?.
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No, I am comparing your idea that anything is ok as long as the participants are voluntary and people want to do it.....
The examples illustrate that simply because a group want to and agree to do something doesn't make it appropriate or right to actually do so.....
but feel free to keep attacking me personally and trolling the thread.
I have not said it shouldn't be allowed, or that the people participating should be vilified for doing so.....I simply think, as many others do that the pageant is a little inappropriate and macabre given the subject matter and that there are more appropriate ways of expressing their experiences and judging people on their relative horrific experiences at the hands of the Nazis is just a little questionable.....
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