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Violence is just part of living in a large city. It should be normal you by now. The police should not waste there time tackling actual crime when someones dog poo on your front garden is a racist manner or if someone gives you a rapey look on the bus. Those are the real issues they should be spending mine and your money on....
 
I don't think he needed to search much for that one tbh... you put forth a dubious/widely disputed position.



What sort of things are you thinking of re: "good information" being left out because is isn't approved by science?



No one is talking about disproving the double slit experiment? The issue is the interpretation of the measurement problem - you've put forth a rather old and widely disputed idea.



Yes, when it comes to science vs pseudo science one is credible the other is worthless.



"Leonardo Da Vinci mindset" ???

and your example of this is a guy who took a traditional psychedelic brew and solved his skin rash issue?

You're seemingly unaware with the issues with personal anecdotes like that or why we have clinical trials for drugs. If it does as you claim then it should be able to be replicated and shown to perform better than a placebo. Currently you've simply chosen to believe in it based on an anecdote from a documentary, that is inherently closed minded.

edit - I googled your anecdote and found the guy who claims to have been cured with the traditional brew:

https://www.energytherapy.biz/2016/...sca-how-i-cured-my-eczema-and-healed-my-life/
"Mark Flaherty is a practising astrologer with clients in over 30 countries. He has studied with Dr Geoffrey Cornelius, former President of the Astrological Lodge of London, and Bob Mulligan of the Astrology Company, Florida. He is passionate about sharing this mystical art and its relevance to our daily lives."

what a surprise, a practitioner of woo... and the claim made on a website all about woo

(as mentioned in my previous post this is way off topic still as far as the thread is concerned - it might be better to make a new thread re: spiral dynamics etc.. if you want to carry on?)

You're dragging it. No i don't want to make a new thread, I'm hoping to bounce sooner or later, my topics were relative to the thread through "negative thinking".

You are not getting it on a fundamental level yet, this all "woo woo" is already showing your flaws, everything is WOOWOO until science proves it right? Which means your severly limited to science. Until its approved by someone else you do not want to know. Fair enough. Science is catching up dont worry mate. hang on tight, its going to spoon feed the sheep that can't experiment on their own.

Don't mistaken it, im not anti-science, if i was diagnosed with cancer, I'd go to my doctor, I'd get my scans, I'd get my treatment, but if I noticed it wasnt working you can be hell as sure, I'd be buying the books on the topic, I'd be eating the best foods that are anti cancers, I'd be taking every supplement and herb that is known for anti cancer. I'd go to workshops, seminars, I'd go to meditation retreats, hell if money allows and I'm on my last straws I'd go to pshyics, mystics, healers, and let them do it, even if all I get out of it a positive placebo effect that's better than being stressed and negative (which causes cancer to flourish).

You are utterly closed minded mate, you're limited to science, whilst im boundless, I dont have time for clinical trials if i'm dying, and I can do my own research to know what to avoid and what to try.

Science of meditation is strong, you can find lots of research papers online about it. I won't link them here.

Thousands of years ago they started meditation and people like you called it "WOO WOO".

 
Wasn't a good explanation, basically said light hits it and it changes position. Not sure what I’m supposed to do with that info, this a big topic that has puzzled many scientist for many years, so this explanation does nothing for me. Can you link me to a full on discussion with scientist where his idea has been approved if you're into such approvals?

What I'm saying to you is consciousness is the source, so regardless of whatever experiment, dream Neil deGrasse is telling me the dream sun exists! look it’s there its proven fact, when I wake up from my dream though, I realised Neil deGrasse was full of ****, it was all dream and the sun was never real.

Contemplate your death, vigorously, what’s it like to know that in the future the physical body will be dead, and there will be no you to refer to yourself, how can you possible know you ever existed if you don’t exist? What does real mean?

You confuse consciousness with observation, the instrument that observes the particle doesn't need to involve consciousness to change the position of the particle. There's nothing divinely spiritual going on because we can't fully explain the super position of a photon in a branch of physics we don't yet have a complete understanding of.

I have no issue with being dead, I don't obsess over it, I was dead before I was born and I'll be dead again with no awareness of time or space. You aren't talking to me in any sort of revolutionary terms because you smoke weed, watch Youtube videos and maybe did a few psychedelics, it's nothing special or unique.
 
You confuse consciousness with observation, the instrument that observes the particle doesn't need to involve consciousness to change the position of the particle. There's nothing divinely spiritual going on because we can't fully explain the super position of a photon in a branch of physics we don't yet have a complete understanding of.

I have no issue with being dead, I don't obsess over it, I was dead before I was born and I'll be dead again with no awareness of time or space. You aren't talking to me in any sort of revolutionary terms because you smoke weed, watch Youtube videos and maybe did a few psychedelics, it's nothing special or unique.

I don't smoke weed, but I see you made that assumption due to my username.

My point proven, assumption and ignorance.

I was trying to help you, if you want to stomp on the rose i gave you that's up to you :D

Only you have to live with yourself 24/7 ouch.
 
You are utterly closed minded mate, you're limited to science, whilst im boundless,

You're all over the place tbh... you're claiming to not be anti science yet are taking positions that are inherently so, you're accusing me of being closed minded while taking positions yourself that are inherently closed minded. For example you've accepted the anecdote about some guy curing a skin rash with some brew - that is closed minded and can only be accepted on faith, you don't actually know that he did, he simply claimed to have/seemingly believes he has but there are other explanations, by accepting his (possibly quite dubious) claim without evidence it is you that has taken the closed minded position as by doing so you've rejected the alternatives. I on the other hand am open to that brew being able to cure a skin rash if you can demonstrate it in a properly conducted trial. My current position though is that there isn't really any evidence for it.

If you're not interested in another thread to stop this one from being derailed even further then I'll leave it there as all this woo nonsense isn't the subject of the thread.
 
You're all over the place tbh... you're claiming to not be anti science yet are taking positions that are inherently so, you're accusing me of being closed minded while taking positions yourself that are inherently closed minded. For example you've accepted the anecdote about some guy curing a skin rash with some brew - that is closed minded and can only be accepted on faith, you don't actually know that he did, he simply claimed to have/seemingly believes he has but there are other explanations, by accepting his (possibly quite dubious) claim without evidence it is you that has taken the closed minded position as by doing so you've rejected the alternatives. I on the other hand am open to that brew being able to cure a skin rash if you can demonstrate it in a properly conducted trial. My current position though is that there isn't really any evidence for it.

If you're not interested in another thread to stop this one from being derailed even further then I'll leave it there as all this woo nonsense isn't the subject of the thread.

Never took an anti science, I said dont be limited by it, and go beyond.

You are closed minded, Who uses terms like "woo" a closed minded person.

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having a mind firmly unreceptive to new ideas or arguments: <- this here is you mate. New ideas. Hence "Woo".

I dont even know if the guy you linked is the same guy i was talking about, he was in a documentary and he was new to an ayhausca retreat and he said this was his last resort and it worked for him. Take it as you will, everyone is different mate, aspirin has killed certain individuals. Thousands of people every year. "Science" over the counter pill.
 
This is turning into strawman argument.

Exactly the same thing happened to me with exactly the same poster about a year ago. Dude used to just deny the entire works of people like Noam Chomsky under his definition of "pseudo-science" and never posted not even a SINGLE reasonable counter answer to any of the actual points raised. You're talking about consciousness, but the arguments will not be related to any real research into consciousness nor any neuroscientific concepts will be referred to, it will all just be dismissed under "pseudoscience".

It will never work you'll end up being taken round and round in circles.
 
Oops, I hope you didn't let your ego edit that one liner in because it's offended

All communication is ego, my mind has to work for communication, but are you aware that you're not the ego? That is the question.

And again I was trying to help you, I said if you think negativitly it will hurt you more than anyone else.
 
Exactly the same thing happened to me with exactly the same poster about a year ago. Dude used to just deny the entire works of people like Noam Chomsky under his definition of "pseudo-science" and never posted not even a SINGLE reasonable counter answer to any of the actual points raised. You're talking about consciousness, but the arguments will not be related to any real research into consciousness nor any neuroscientific concepts will be referred to, it will all just be dismissed under "pseudoscience".

It will never work you'll end up being taken round and round in circles.

I'm seeing the good side to it, at least he's helping me get to 100 posts for free delivery :p but yeah I can't help him, he's gone too far into the dark side!

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All communication is ego, my mind has to work for communication, but are you aware that you're not the ego? That is the question.

And again I was trying to help you, I said if you think negativitly it will hurt you more than anyone else.

Why are you making the assumption that I need your help? Incredible.
 
Aww cmon this like me opening a door for you and you saying Why do you think i need your help! :D

I would say you're closed minded to Science. You don't like it very much because for you to believe in it would cause you cognitive dissonance, because Science cannot co-exist with your beliefs, so you choose to dismiss it
 
I would say you're closed minded to Science. You don't like it very much because for you to believe in it would cause you cognitive dissonance, because Science cannot co-exist with your beliefs, so you choose to dismiss it

I am not closed minded to it, i see it for what it truely is. They weren't kidding when they said science was the new religion of 21st century.

Science is a manipulation of reality, the motto of science has alwasy been "give us one free miracle and we will explain the universe". This miracle usually comes in the form of the big bang theory. Did you know that the big bang originated from a point a billion times smaller than the end of a needle pin? Interesting huh.
 
I am not closed minded to it, i see it for what it truely is. They weren't kidding when they said science was the new religion of 21st century.

Science is a manipulation of reality, the motto of science has alwasy been "give us one free miracle and we will explain the universe". This usually comes from the big bang theory. Did you know that the big bang originated from a point a billion times smaller than the end of a needle pin? Interesting huh.

Do you disagree with the big bang theory? It's interesting yes, but not unbelievable since a neutron star is equally hard to get your head around and we know they exist
 
I am not closed minded to it, i see it for what it truely is. They weren't kidding when they said science was the new religion of 21st century.

Science is a manipulation of reality, the motto of science has alwasy been "give us one free miracle and we will explain the universe". This mircale usually comes in the form of the big bang theory. Did you know that the big bang originated from a point a billion times smaller than the end of a needle pin? Interesting huh.

Your are the lost love child of David Icke and I claim my £5.
 
@Roar87

Why the planet which was a big lifeless rock decide to have living things on it for no reason?

“Where there are rocks, watch out! Watch out, because the rocks are going to eventually come alive and they are going to have people crawling over them. It is only matter of time, just in the same way the acorn is eventually going to turn into the oak because it has the potentiality of that within it. Rocks are not dead. You see, it depends on what kind of attitude you want to take to the world…
You cannot get an intelligent organism such as a human being out of an unintelligent universe. So in any lump of rock floating about in space, there is implicit human intelligence. Don’t differentiate yourself and standoff against this and say ‘I am a living organism in a world made of a lot of dead junk, rocks and stuff.’ It all goes together, those rocks are just as much you as your finger nails.”
~ Alan Watts
 
@Roar87

Why the planet which was a big lifeless rock decide to have living things on it for no reason?

“Where there are rocks, watch out! Watch out, because the rocks are going to eventually come alive and they are going to have people crawling over them. It is only matter of time, just in the same way the acorn is eventually going to turn into the oak because it has the potentiality of that within it. Rocks are not dead. You see, it depends on what kind of attitude you want to take to the world…
You cannot get an intelligent organism such as a human being out of an unintelligent universe. So in any lump of rock floating about in space, there is implicit human intelligence. Don’t differentiate yourself and standoff against this and say ‘I am a living organism in a world made of a lot of dead junk, rocks and stuff.’ It all goes together, those rocks are just as much you as your finger nails.”
~ Alan Watts

The Universe isn't unintelligent, I would say we are the Universe experiencing itself.
 
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