I've not said anything about Nikola Tesla either and I'm really not seeing the relevance to stabbings in London. I'm happy to discuss in another thread but dumping random images like the above along with nice quotes isn't really adding anything here.
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Strawman and trolling, throws everything out all day as "woo woo" I link you famous scentist which clearly talk about the same thing, did you watch Sam Harris's no self?
So is meditation "woo woo"?
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So whose 'sock' account is this then?
No idea but this is getting super tedious now... maybe you'd like to make a different thread about it.
This aint the place.
I actually made a reply to someone going into more deeper roots of the cause. You derailed it because you been adamantly stuck with being agains't everything I say, how is "you're coming across as a guru, know it all" worthy of posting?
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So going back onto topic, im interested to see what do you propose we do, should we beat the kids up, kill them? Throw them into prison for the rest of their lives, I heard people actually get worse after prison sentences, apparently prison loses it's scare factor?
Surely theres no point feeding them in the prison, its just waste of resources, we should just kill them, and kill everyone who doesn't behave.
I heard the police and BOPE in brazil just go into favalas and shoot kids to death, worked great for them, no crime there. All the kids are dead.
In fact in the last olypmics in Brazil they did a nice cleansing, for all the rich tourist to come and feel safe.
So going back onto topic, im interested to see what do you propose we do, should we beat the kids up, kill them? Throw them into prison for the rest of their lives, I heard people actually get worse after prison sentences, apparently prison loses it's scare factor?
Surely theres no point feeding them in the prison, its just waste of resources, we should just kill them, and kill everyone who doesn't behave.
I heard the police and BOPE in brazil just go into favalas and shoot kids to death, worked great for them, no crime there. All the kids are dead.
In fact in the last olypmics in Brazil they did a nice cleansing, for all the rich tourist to come and feel safe.
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You don't think perhaps the reduction in police funding is maybe an issue here? Prison works to some extent in that it gets bad people away from the rest of society (at least temporarily), increasing the chances of bad people getting caught is also required, this is harder to do when police budgets have been cut.
There are of course some cultural issues too with regards to gang violence, though that is seemingly a can of worms as we can see over the previous pages of the thread.
There are of course some cultural issues too with regards to gang violence, though that is seemingly a can of worms as we can see over the previous pages of the thread.
Well frankly I will always be on the side of the non-violent, law-abiding people trying to go about their daily lives without fear of being stabbed, mugged, etc.
I'm not advancing capital punishment but there does have to be punishment. You cannot allow criminal acts to go unpunished.
Personally I feel that prison does not have to be an effective deterrent. Part of the function of prison is simply to remove individuals inclined towards anti social behaviour from the rest of us, not for their good but for ours.
Tbh enforced sterilisation sounds like a good plan to me. Too many kids growing up in broken homes to really awful parents. An endless cycle that can maybe be broken by stopping the bad apples from breeding.
Depends, if the police are not answering calls fast enough or too busy then yes I can see that cutting the police funds will make issues. But these sort of violences are carried out in a way that the police response is not the issue. I only called the police once in london and that was when robbers were smashing a ticket machine outside my house, they came in 5 minutes, but the thieves were long gone.
Even if you incease police presence the likelyhood that they will be right there when you need them is very low, especially if its a quiet road, back street, or alley, and then you need to take into consideration how much this is costing vs how much it's actually helping.
Also you can't really put people into prison for small crimes, its too costly and prisons will be overfilled/full. You can't make poor people pay compensation for money they dont have etc,also criminal record means they will even more unemployable and broke meaning more reason for crime. So even police catch them it will be a slap on the wrists.
So you are basically saying, "You can't punish criminals because it won't help them to become productive members of society."
Great.
We're not talking about small crimes though, shooting someone with a cross bow (as per the OP) or the increase in stabbings/murders are not small crimes.
Increasing police numbers/police funding doesn't need to catch every offender or prevent every crime in order to have an effect, it just needs to increase the chance of offenders getting caught.
Did the guy who shot the cross bow not go to prison? If he did case closed, he's serving his punishment.
Besides the costs inolved in increase cop vs actually making a difference, becareful for what you wish for, increasing police numbers and powers and basically you have what US has, hasn't worked great for them to be fair.
At least kids are not running around with guns or knifes mass killing class mates at school.
The US allows citizens to carry weapons (with caveats). The police have to expect that everybody is potentially armed.
In this country the scrotes/thugs may well be armed with knives, but it's a totally different ball game. The serious crims will have guns no doubt, but the scrotes on the street most likely won't want to risk being shot.
That said, the Facebook warriors would demand mass resignations the first time anybody in a minority group was shot, even if in the middle of stabbing their way through a nursing home.
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You're adding in things I haven't said in order to argue against them, I didn't say anything about increased police powers. The US has its own problems re: school shootings and gun laws, that has nothing to do with my post, guns are not widely available in the UK and there are stiff penalties for people caught with them illegally. Try to stick with what has actually been posted.
Increasing police funding/increasing the numbers of police available on the street can help reduce crime, likewise I suspect that part of the current problem in London is due to insufficient funding. (some of the focus of those limited resources like spending police time investigating offensive remarks on twitter etc.. probably doesn't help much either but I suspect the effect of that is rather small.)
God you're impossible I can't even add somethng on without you going crazy about it, fine remove from my statement "police powers", Geez. So standoff-ish.
Actually if police are investing their time on twitter abuse doesn't that mean they have free time? I mean i lived in Peru for 2.5 years If i complained about Twitter remarks they'd laughed, seriously on the most serious stuff get looked at there.
My point about the US is that they're not doing great even though they're are COP nation, espeically a brutal one, I've seen the youtube videos, time to look at countries that actually work, Switzerland, Japan, Sweden, Netherlands, norway, denmark, germany, austria, etc. etc. What are they doing?
You want an increase in police then fine, tackle the main issue: Greedy CEOs and businessmen that own Billions or Millions of the wealth in the world, the 1% own like 70% of the wealth in the world. that's where you get your budget money from.
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Get Jeff Bezos to pay it. He's been avoiding tax in the UK for a long time. Richest guy in the world. Doesn't pay his taxes properly yet everyone flocks to him to buy stuff, why? Because no one gives a damn, as long as you can buy for the cheapest price.
Get Jeff Bezos to pay it. He's been avoiding tax in the UK for a long time. Richest guy in the world. Doesn't pay his taxes properly yet everyone flocks to him to buy stuff, why? Because no one gives a damn, as long as you can buy for the cheapest price.
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If you're quoting me to make an argument against things I've posted then it is perhaps better to argue against things I've actually posted rather than conflate what I've posted with things you've thrown in yourself. You're making a straw man argument otherwise.
Nope, it just means someone has made a decision to allocate resources to doing that.
Sure we can crack down on evasion and the more egregious avoidance schemes (though that is perhaps a topic for another thread) but I suspect that we'd need to increase income tax a little bit more in general if we want to properly fund public services.
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