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This brainwashing as been happening for many years were good people can't use violence or aggression to restore order. So now people have no respect for the police... and if they can't be turn up to law abiding peoples houses to investigate crime then they are losing friends fast. A sad state of affairs.
Are you advocating for violence and aggression or against it? It's hard to tell what ... uh ... any of that means.
 
Licence open carry Swords, you go get trained and accessed over the course of a year in combat and ethics/honour and Psych evaluations, you pass you get a licence to carry a sword and buy combat insurance to cover the legal costs should you have to act in public to protect either yourself or another member of the public.

Half joking...
 
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This brainwashing as been happening for many years were good people can't use violence or aggression to restore order. So now people have no respect for the police... and if they can't be turn up to law abiding peoples houses to investigate crime then they are losing friends fast. A sad state of affairs.

But now they are asking the public to help them with violent criminals on the street (instead of watching and filming it). Are they going to supply everyone with stab proof vests and batons? Who pays out if you get stabbed and can't work for weeks?
 
Licence open carry Swords, you go get trained and accessed over the course of a year in combat and ethics/honour and Psych evaluations, you pass you get a licence to carry a sword and buy combat insurance to cover the legal costs should you have to act in public to protect either yourself or another member of the public.

I used to know someone who carried a sword. Sharpened it themselves and had a sleeve for it in the back of their coat. He pulled it out on two people who were following him and which he suspected were going to mug him.

Don't know what happened to him. We lost touch.
 
You can't even carry a small pocket knife whilst out camping these days without the police treating you like Jason Voorhees. Meanwhile known gang members are walking down the street with hidden machetes and the police are prevented from doing anything until they have hacked someone to death with it.

If I saw police (particularly female officers) being assaulted I would probably try to help but that's only because they're a human being that needs help. The fact that police today are even asking for help when a suspect gets violent shows how useless they have become as both a crime deterrent and enforcer of (non PC) laws. They might as well just rename them the political correctness and social media police and deploy the army for real life crime and save the public from having to put their lives at risk.
 
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But now they are asking the public to help them with violent criminals on the street (instead of watching and filming it). Are they going to supply everyone with stab proof vests and batons? Who pays out if you get stabbed and can't work for weeks?

Exactly, and at the same time they are the first to be asking for peoples CCTV footage if a crime takes place.

Are you advocating for violence and aggression or against it? It's hard to tell what ... uh ... any of that means.

All I'll say, and this is something I learned from an early age, that "in the jungle the one with the biggest stick makes the rules". It is a fact of life.
 
I bring a knife with me fishing and camping and have never had an issue.

You can carry small pocket knives and such on you. For what reason do you need a knife with a blade bigger than 3 inches?

This whole 'people not allowed to carry pocket knives but can go round with hidden machetes' is a bit sensationalist, don't you think?
 
Well plenty of the moped gangs they're having to deal with in London are armed, must be much better to have a tazer than a baton when dealing with someone with a knife say:


Those two videos make the police force look like a monty python sketch :D

And there lies the problem,,,

Of course, In America I suspect all these incidents would have panned out and ended much the same way.

1 Squad car,

2 Officers.

Shots fired, Threat neutralised and game over (Probably all over in less than 60 seconds)

No wonder UK police cant afford to provide a proper service if it takes 30 men to try to deal with one bloke with a knife! (Oh and the wheely bin maneuver Priceless! :p )

A lot of people grumble about US policing but perhaps they have it right after all! :/
 
A lot of people grumble about US policing but perhaps they have it right after all! :/

Honest question and not a trap or bait, would you prefer to have their police over ours?

The videos in this thread are cherry picked too. We have all seen incidents of people acting up outside bars or whatever, I can't recall any incident that wasn't handled smoothly. None were as ridiculous as these videos. Then again, my area isn't exactly a rough area...
 
And there lies the problem,,,

Of course, In America I suspect all these incidents would have panned out and ended much the same way.

1 Squad car,

2 Officers.

Shots fired, Threat neutralised and game over (Probably all over in less than 60 seconds)

No wonder UK police cant afford to provide a proper service if it takes 30 men to try to deal with one bloke with a knife! (Oh and the wheely bin maneuver Priceless! :p )

A lot of people grumble about US policing but perhaps they have it right after all! :/

Yet the police consistently say they dont want guns... have you even seen the bloody police in the US? It's a miniature armed militia at this point with some of them, once able to (not sure they can now) forfeiture anything they liked if they could ratchet up a reason for it. Escalation ends in one way, more of it and more dead police.

The US has on average around 50 deaths a year for police officers (which is small obviously), the UK has around 1-2 a year for any event.

Looks to me to be pretty ****** way to control things.
 
Yet the police consistently say they dont want guns... have you even seen the bloody police in the US? It's a miniature armed militia at this point with some of them, once able to (not sure they can now) forfeiture anything they liked if they could ratchet up a reason for it. Escalation ends in one way, more of it and more dead police.
The US has on average around 50 deaths a year for police officers (which is small obviously), the UK has around 1-2 a year for any event.

Looks to me to be pretty ****** way to control things.



One's view of the US police shouldn't be too distorted by media and selective coverage. The USA has a population of 323million, overwhelmingly in urban areas and several hotspots for want of a better term. Chicago, areas of Washington and LA - all distort the picture dramatically. Yes, the US police are certainly more authoritarian and they are also routinely armed. But it's not accurate to say that any of these incidents would suddenly have become death by police.
 
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One's view of the US police shouldn't be too distorted by media and selective coverage. The USA has a population of 323million, overwhelmingly in urban areas and several hotspots for want of a better term. Chicago, areas of Washington and LA - all distort the picture dramatically. Yes, the US police are certainly more authoritarian and they are also routinely armed. But it's not accurate to say that any of these incidents would suddenly have become death by police.

7 times more likely for police officers per 100000 people to be killed because of firearms vs any reason whatsoever in the UK.... is pretty damning that arming police does nothing but make for a worse situation.
 
Licence open carry Swords, you go get trained and accessed over the course of a year in combat and ethics/honour and Psych evaluations, you pass you get a licence to carry a sword and buy combat insurance to cover the legal costs should you have to act in public to protect either yourself or another member of the public.

Half joking...

https://www.rt.com/news/444724-sword-robber-canada-jewelry
 
7 times more likely for police officers per 100000 people to be killed because of firearms vs any reason whatsoever in the UK.... is pretty damning that arming police does nothing but make for a worse situation.

First, please link to your source. Second, "killed because of firearms" - is that you trying to say killed BY firearms? Because if so, the police not having guns isn't going to change that. Thirdly, I said people get a distorted idea of US policing because of atypical hotspots that the USA contains - it has far larger and denser inner cities than most of Europe - and because of the exaggerating lens of the media. I stand by that. You don't seem to be addressing what I actually said but rather using my comment as a leaping off point to make some different argument about arming the police.
 
First, please link to your source. Second, "killed because of firearms" - is that you trying to say killed BY firearms? Because if so, the police not having guns isn't going to change that. Thirdly, I said people get a distorted idea of US policing because of atypical hotspots that the USA contains - it has far larger and denser inner cities than most of Europe - and because of the exaggerating lens of the media. I stand by that. You don't seem to be addressing what I actually said but rather using my comment as a leaping off point to make some different argument about arming the police.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html

https://www.statista.com/chart/11727/us-police-deaths-spiked-last-year/

One of these is right, and there's no practical difference between "because of firearms" and "by firearms"... unless you're really nitpicking beyond any sense. The reality is that a lot of weirdos in this country think adding guns to the equation will do anything, when they barely get killed as it is, least of all by guns themselves (which in the last 200 years is minimal) at best. What it will undoubtedly do is escalate all crimes to "all or nothing", and considering the unlikely reality that the police would actually get trained correctly, it would be a disaster like everything else in this risible dump.

I'm not saying anything about the US other than where there are guns (it's there culture, etc etc big fat argument i dont care for), it increases the likelihood of death, end of.
 
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