Soldato
Wimps
MotoGP Starts this weekend
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it because of the strong flood lights and the refections on the wet track
its nothing to do with them being wimps, if you know about the sport you know there far from it.
and you saying that shows your not a true fan of the sport
the golf masters is more important to them sadly
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Soldato
Yes and? There are reflections from the floodlights just like as when i'm riding there are cars with badly adjusted HID lights, there's heavy rain and sometimes snow.
Why don't they just ride according to the conditions? No-ones saying they must go 220mph, they have the ability to ride slower.
When it comes down in Qatar more often that not it does really poor, but if it's light rain or damp, they really ought to race imo.
EDIT: The moto 3 warm up, so all is good at the moment
Why don't they just ride according to the conditions? No-ones saying they must go 220mph, they have the ability to ride slower.
When it comes down in Qatar more often that not it does really poor, but if it's light rain or damp, they really ought to race imo.
EDIT: The moto 3 warm up, so all is good at the moment
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if it was just damp then they will run, its more about standing water and the lights..
but back in 09 it rained that much that the race had to be run on the monday
instead..
anyway its dry so all is good
Soldato
Yeah i remember when they raced on monday. I was pretty peed off as it meant i couldn't watch it. 
Still if it was F1 it would just be cancelled full stop.
Anyway, great last few laps. And a good fight between Cal and Dovisioso
Still if it was F1 it would just be cancelled full stop.
Anyway, great last few laps. And a good fight between Cal and Dovisioso
Every MotoGP race is shown live on the BBC. Yes a bunch of them are on the red button, but its still live coverage of every race, which I believe is better than they had last year, and is considerably better than what they have for F1.
Great start to the season. Bit of a shame the ducatis are still off the pace, but awesome from Lorenzo and crutchlow. Good to see pedrosa being a bit more aggressive too.
The thousands definitely make a more interesting race, with more options for riding styles to still be fast
The thousands definitely make a more interesting race, with more options for riding styles to still be fast
Rossi saying he can't get to grips with the new bike.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/09042012/66/rossi-ride-ducati.html
"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. In theory, with new tyres I should go quicker. Nicky managed to do a good race with the other works Ducati, but he still ended up only sixth."
Rossi fears that 2012 could end up being even harder than last year, when he took just one podium finish.
"In Jerez testing it went better, sixth with the quicker tyres," he said. "But that's our pace, it's not an attractive objective to be fighting for sixth place. We are used to better objectives.
"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders.
"This Ducati has problems: I gave indications over where to intervene, but we didn't solve our problems. Unfortunately I'm no engineer and can't do anything about it. At least the positive aspect is that I don't crash with this chassis. That's something at least."
The Italian added that he was finding it hard to be optimistic as Ducati had failed to progress from a disappointing start in 2011.
"We ran out of hope last year. More than hope we need a better bike," Rossi said. "But I wouldn't want to expose myself like I did last year, by thinking and hoping that the second chassis development would be an improvement.
"I tried to be a professional. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/09042012/66/rossi-ride-ducati.html"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. In theory, with new tyres I should go quicker. Nicky managed to do a good race with the other works Ducati, but he still ended up only sixth."
Rossi fears that 2012 could end up being even harder than last year, when he took just one podium finish.
"In Jerez testing it went better, sixth with the quicker tyres," he said. "But that's our pace, it's not an attractive objective to be fighting for sixth place. We are used to better objectives.
"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders.
"This Ducati has problems: I gave indications over where to intervene, but we didn't solve our problems. Unfortunately I'm no engineer and can't do anything about it. At least the positive aspect is that I don't crash with this chassis. That's something at least."
The Italian added that he was finding it hard to be optimistic as Ducati had failed to progress from a disappointing start in 2011.
"We ran out of hope last year. More than hope we need a better bike," Rossi said. "But I wouldn't want to expose myself like I did last year, by thinking and hoping that the second chassis development would be an improvement.
"I tried to be a professional. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."
Rossi saying he can't get to grips with the new bike.
"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison. In theory, with new tyres I should go quicker. Nicky managed to do a good race with the other works Ducati, but he still ended up only sixth."
Rossi fears that 2012 could end up being even harder than last year, when he took just one podium finish.
"In Jerez testing it went better, sixth with the quicker tyres," he said. "But that's our pace, it's not an attractive objective to be fighting for sixth place. We are used to better objectives.
"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders.
"This Ducati has problems: I gave indications over where to intervene, but we didn't solve our problems. Unfortunately I'm no engineer and can't do anything about it. At least the positive aspect is that I don't crash with this chassis. That's something at least."
The Italian added that he was finding it hard to be optimistic as Ducati had failed to progress from a disappointing start in 2011.
"We ran out of hope last year. More than hope we need a better bike," Rossi said. "But I wouldn't want to expose myself like I did last year, by thinking and hoping that the second chassis development would be an improvement.
"I tried to be a professional. When Barbera pushed me out I even considered returning to the pits, but then I stayed out in order to give our technicians some data to study so as to improve things."
This for me is sadly a big indication that Rossi might be finished, I hope not!! I have watched him from his very early days in 125cc and the one thing that always struck me, was his ability to maximise every bit of performance from the bike and in doing so beat his rivals very well, In total I have watched world championship motorcycling since the days of Mamola, Schwantz and Rainey etc and in my eyes the king of the ring was always Rainey, He beat up pretty much anyone until his massive career ending crash and even when Doohan was doing his thing, I always felt Rainey was the better rider, Until Rossi emerged.
I am sure most people know how good Rossi is and what he has achieved certainly earns him the title of GOAT imo But I cant help thinking that the Ducati partnership is a bridge too far both for him and Burgess, It smacks in the face of disbelief to see the best rider ever in my lifetime getting pretty much beat up by the whole pack, In all honesty Hayden should not be getting close to Rossi on a Duke or any other bike let alone ahead of him!!
You have to ask yourself right now is Rossi finished or is he just another rider that cant tame the Duke? We all know that the Duke needs to be ridden hard and Stoner succeeded in this because it matched his style, He is generally regarded as the most aggressive rider on his bike in moto gp and when the front of the duke started to wash out a lot more even Stoner started to struggle. Whatever the issue, I doubt very much that it will be resolved and In all honesty I can see Rossi walking before the season reaches half way, When you languish 0.5-1.2 secs slower than your less talented team-mate then questions will be asked about you. Even J burgess has hinted that it might be finished for VR in a recent interview.
Valentino Rossi's long-time engineer Jeremy Burgess hints that the MotoGP legend is past his prime
Valentino Rossi's long-time engineer Jeremy Burgess has hinted that the MotoGP legend is past his prime in a television interview on Ten before the season-opener in Qatar.
Burgess is one of MotoGP's most respected engineers and assisted former champions Wayne Gardner and Mick Doohan during their stellar careers.
Since then he's been embedded firmly in Rossi's camp, following the Italian from Honda to Yamaha, and most recently to Ducati.
The 59-year-old Aussie says Rossi is no longer the best rider in MotoGP.
"He's a realist, he knows he's perhaps not at the level of Casey (Stoner) and Lorenzo but he certainly believes he can race with the rest of them," Burgess said.
"At some point in your life you're not as good as you once were.
"I'm not saying he's not, but at some point we've got to give him a bike to let him show that he can get back up there."
Considered by many to be the greatest of all time, Rossi holds an unparalleled record in modern motorcycle racing with nine grand prix world championships, seven of which came in the top-tier MotoGP class.
Rossi on a Ducati just doesnt work - its like putting a square peg through a round hole. As talented as he is, the way theyve built those bikes year in, year out were never going to suit him, but I did think if anyone could make the Ducati much more than a straight line demon (and it isnt even that for the last few years compared to the Hondas) it was going to be him.
Whenever he decides to leave the sport, Ill have no less respect from him than when he was winning back to back championships. One of the few motorsports people where if hes not fast its always gonna be the machinery and never him...
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Whenever he decides to leave the sport, Ill have no less respect from him than when he was winning back to back championships. One of the few motorsports people where if hes not fast its always gonna be the machinery and never him...
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I would have said the same, but this weekend he was completely outclassed by Hayden - and was the last Ducati finisher. I think he's started on the downward trend of his career now. Had he gone to Ducati 3/4 years ago I think it may be a different story. He is still the GOAT IMO though.
I dno, they say he preferred Haydens setup when he tried it over the race weekend so that could point to something. I just think its alien to him to have such difficulties, especially on a bike thats really not suited to his style...
Its not like the other Ducati riders are doing much better against the other factory teams - first race of the season, Id give him a bye...
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Its not like the other Ducati riders are doing much better against the other factory teams - first race of the season, Id give him a bye
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He only ended up ~5 seconds behind Hayden, which isn't that bad when you look at the fact that he started 7 places back and had the run-in with Barbera. But I do agree he's not really showing the desire (and possibly ability? But that could just be Ducati being useless) to develop and push a bike into contention, although this is by far harder than when he went from Honda to Yamaha...
Spies was more worrying there really, was there any excuse for his lack of pace in the end? Yes Lorenzo will always beat him fairly easily but to be ~57s behind is shockingly bad...
Spies was more worrying there really, was there any excuse for his lack of pace in the end? Yes Lorenzo will always beat him fairly easily but to be ~57s behind is shockingly bad...
Severe chatter that they couldn't dial out apparently, and a lack of confidence after a couple of offs.
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reason they cant do that is their missing masao furusawa basically the godfather of the m1 , but as a huge rossi/ moto gp fan i really wish that they'd nail it or he'd just jump ship to something more workable