My Court Result (IN10)

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All the previous here:
1. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17779418
2. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17765452
3. http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308250

Arrived at the court today and was really quite nervous.

Session started at 2pm and the usher came out to tell us that one of the court rooms had been closed and that we would all be heard in one court so expect to wait!

As more people started to arrive I realised that I was the only defendant in a suit. There was nobody in shirt and tie, infact nobody else even had pants or shoes on just jeans or trackie bottoms with trainers!

Eventually got arround to my case and as I entered the court room and I was bricking it! There were two magistrates both female and around 50-60 years old, neither of them looking particularly happy!

The prosecutor read out the statements and then the magistrates must have repeated about 4 times that they could give me a 2 month ban :cry:

I said my bit, showed them that the car had been insured in the past, showed a copy of the RT advert and also provided 10 original insurance certificates which cover the last 4 years for various different vehicles.

They went away for a short while and whilst they were away the prosecutor said how shocked she was at how unlucky I had been :| :lol:

They came back and gave me the news... 6 points and a conditional discharge for 12 months + £35 costs, not fine :)

They said I was very lucky and that it is very rare for them to do such a thing!

I'm pretty happy - oh and no increase on the insurance until renewall :D
 
What exactly is a "conditional discharge"?

Sounds like something that you really wouldn't want your doctor to diagnose :p
 
Just guessing, but would that be something akin to a suspended sentence, ie no further punishment as long as you are not caught for anything else?
 
djbenjo said:
All the previous here:
1. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17779418
2. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17765452
3. http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308250

Arrived at the court today and was really quite nervous.

Session started at 2pm and the usher came out to tell us that one of the court rooms had been closed and that we would all be heard in one court so expect to wait!

As more people started to arrive I realised that I was the only defendant in a suit. There was nobody in shirt and tie, infact nobody else even had pants or shoes on just jeans or trackie bottoms with trainers!

Eventually got arround to my case and as I entered the court room and I was bricking it! There were two magistrates both female and around 50-60 years old, neither of them looking particularly happy!

The prosecutor read out the statements and then the magistrates must have repeated about 4 times that they could give me a 2 month ban :cry:

I said my bit, showed them that the car had been insured in the past, showed a copy of the RT advert and also provided 10 original insurance certificates which cover the last 4 years for various different vehicles.

They went away for a short while and whilst they were away the prosecutor said how shocked she was at how unlucky I had been :| :lol:

They came back and gave me the news... 6 points and a conditional discharge for 12 months + £35 costs, not fine :)

They said I was very lucky and that it is very rare for them to do such a thing!

I'm pretty happy - oh and no increase on the insurance until renewall :D
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Hmm, not so sure about the good outcome. For "thinking I had DOC on my policy but actually didn't" I received a 12 day ban and £35 fine (IN10).
 
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paradigm said:
What exactly is a "conditional discharge"?

Sounds like something that you really wouldn't want your doctor to diagnose :p
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I had this too. If I was caught for any other offence within a 12 month period, they are allowed to review this case and prosecute further if they so wish
 
Butters said:
No, there isn't, any fine or sentence is entirely subjective depending on who you have on the day
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6 points is the lowest possible sentence for a IN offence. I have been reliably informed by a magistrate of this.

Magistrate Friend said:
Conditional Discharge for a No Insurance offence is as rare as hen's teeth Smile

Costs are about average although it was within their authority not to add costs because you'd been brought to Court after pleading guilty by post and at their behest.

As you will no doubt be aware, 6 points is the minimum.
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His words
 
Depends on the insurance company bans tend to equal higher insurance costs.

DVLA Offence Codes
Code Penalty Points
Accident Offences
AC10 Failing to stop after an accident 5-10
AC20 Failing to give particulars or to report an accident within 24 hours 5-10
AC30 Undefined accident offences 4-9

Disqualified Driver
BA10 Driving whilst disqualified by order of court 6
BA30 Attempting to drive while disqualified by order of court 6

Careless Driving
CD10 Driving without due care and attention 3-9
CD20 Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users 3-9
CD30 Driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users 3-9
CD40 Causing death through careless driving when unfit through drink 3-11
CD50 Causing death by careless driving when unfit through drugs 3-11
CD60 Causing death by careless driving with alcohol level above the limit 3-11
CD70 Causing death by careless driving then failing to supply a specimen for analysis 3-11

Construction & Use Offences
CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes 3
CU20 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of use of unsuitable vehicle or using a vehicle with parts or accessories (excluding brakes, steering or tyres) in a dangerous condition 3
CU30 Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) 3
CU40 Using a vehicle with defective steering 3
CU50 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of load or passengers 3

Reckless/Dangerous Driving
DD40 Dangerous Driving 3-11
DD60 Manslaughter or culpable homicide while driving a vehicle.......... 3-11
DD80 Causing death by dangerous driving 3-11

Drink or Drugs
DR10 Driving or attempting to drive with alcohol level above limit 3-11
DR20 Driving or attempting to drive while unfit through drink 3-11
DR30 Driving or attempting to drive then failing to supply a specimen for analysis 3-11
DR40 In charge of a vehicle while alcohol level above limit 10
DR50 In charge of a vehicle while unfit through drink 10
DR60 Failure to provide a specimen for analysis in circumstances other than driving or attempting to drive 10
DR70 Failing to provide specimen for breath test 4
DR80 Driving or attempting to drive when unfit through drugs 3-11
DR90 In charge of a vehicle when unfit through drugs 10

Insurance Offences
IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks 6-8

Licence Offences
LC20 Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence 3-6
LC30 Driving after making a false declaration about fitness when applying for a licence 3-6
LC40 Driving a vehicle having failed to notify a disability 3-6
LC50 Driving after a licence has been revoked orrefused on medical grounds.......... 3-6

Miscellaneous Offences
MS10 Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position 3
MS20 Unlawful pillion riding 3
MS30 Play street offences 2
MS40 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight or refusing to submit to a test 3
MS50 Motor racing on the highway 3-11
MS60 Offences not covered by other codes As Appropriate
MS70 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight 3
MS80 Refusing to submit to an eyesight test 3
MS90 Failure to give information as to identity of driver etc 3

Motorway Offences
MW10 Contravention of Special Roads Regulations (excluding speed limits) 3

Pedestrian Crossings
PC10 Undefined Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations.......... 3
PC20 Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations with moving vehicle.......... 3
PC30 Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations with stationary vehicle.......... 3

Speed Limits
SP10 Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits.......... 3-6
SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles).......... 3-6
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road.......... 3-6
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit.......... 3-6
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway.......... 3-6
SP60 Undefined speed limit offence.......... 3-6

Traffic Direction and Signs
TS10 Failing to comply with traffic light signals 3
TS20 Failing to comply with double white lines 3
TS30 Failing to comply with "Stop" sign 3
TS40 Failing to comply with direction of a constable/warden 3
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sign (excluding - stop -signs, traffic lights or double white lines) 3
TS60 Failing to comply with a school crossing patrol sign 3
TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction sign 3

Special Code
TT99 To signify a disqualification under totting-up procedure. If the total of penalty points reaches 12 or more within 3 years, the driver is liable to be disqualif

Theft or Unauthorised Taking
UT50 Aggravated taking of a vehicle 3-11

Aiding, Abetting, Counseling or Procuring
Offences as coded, but with the end 0 changed to 2

Causing or permitting
Offences as coded, but with the end 0 changed to 4

Inciting
Offences as coded, but with the end 0 changed to 6

Period of time
Periods of time are signified as follows: D=Days, M=Months, Y=Years

Endorsements remain on a counterpart licence for - 11 years from date of conviction for offences relating to drink/drugs and driving, causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink/drugs and causing death by careless driving then failing to provide a specimen for analysis



4 years from date of conviction for reckless/dangerous driving and offences resulting in disqualification

4 years from the date of offence in all other cases
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Altered my premium by about £70 for the first year. I preferred the ban as two further speeding offences in a 3 year period equals :(
 
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