My new rig! (Please Review)

opethdisciple · 5 Nov 2017 at 14:53

Jono8 said:
Not after today's drops!

Looks about £60 difference now depending where you look.

muon · 5 Nov 2017 at 14:56

opethdisciple said:
Looks about £60 difference now depending where you look.

The CPU alone is about the same cost. 8400 in stock price versus 1700 at the obvious place.

Jono8 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:02

opethdisciple said:
Looks about £60 difference now depending where you look.

Unfortunately because of the stock shortage some retailers are now asking more for a 8400 than a 1700 or the same as a 1700x! Even if the 8400 is at rrp the difference is now only ~£35 (compared to the non x 1700)

I think AMD are aggressively taking on Coffeelake with these new price drops. Very good to see.

gavinh87 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:08

Yeah it's hard to recommend anything other than ryzen at the current prices. A lot of cpu for the money.

Alkalinepro5 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:29

opethdisciple said:
Depends why the OP went for the 8400 in the first place. Is it to save money?

Because although not my choice it is about £100 cheaper than a 1700.

Umm.. Where are you getting your information from dude? The 1700 is £206.98, and I'm sure as hell you can't get a 8400 for £106.98 lol!

muon said:
Looks like 1080Ti + minimum spend elsewhere without bottlenecking. For gaming thats better than a 1080 + 8600K/8700K/1700X/1800X.

Interesting. Care to back that up with a review?

I game at 1080/1440p so I would be surprised if I would have a CPU bottleneck tbh...

However if you know of a review which proves otherwise I'm happy to re-consider.. ;-)

opethdisciple · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:35

Alkalinepro5 said:
Umm.. Where are you getting your information from dude? The 1700 is £206.98, and I'm sure as hell you can't get a 8400 for £106.98 lol!

1700 is £260 on OcUK

and the 8400 £220.

Oh wow! Your right. The 1700 is now just over £200!

Stonking purchase!

Alkalinepro5 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:40

opethdisciple said:
1700 is £260 on OcUK

and the 8400 £220.

Oh wow! Your right. The 1700 is now just over £200!

Stonking purchase!

I know awesome, right?

Loving the aggressive competition back in the CPU market. Great news for the consumer!

I think my mind is made up unless Intel slash coffee lake prices by a good amount. I'm sure the Intel factory is working over time to build more coffee lake CPU's!

muon · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:41

Alkalinepro5 said:
Interesting. Care to back that up with a review?

I game at 1080/1440p so I would be surprised if I would have a CPU bottleneck tbh...

However if you know of a review which proves otherwise I'm happy to re-consider..

Don't think you understood my post.

opethdisciple · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:41

Alkalinepro5 said:
I know awesome, right?

Loving the aggressive competition back in the CPU market. Great news for the consumer!

I think my mind is made up unless Intel slash coffee lake prices by a good amount. I'm sure the Intel factory is working over time to build more coffee lake CPU's!

If you buy Ryzen the two most important things are mobo and the Ryzen friendly ram.

P4Clock · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:41

Panos said:
Ryzen option is better. You either get the 8600K/8700K or get Ryzen. The 8400 is not what it seems, and with unknown clocks depending to the chip, shouldn't be touched.

i agree the 8400 right now is a no go with the cpu and board prices,
How ever dont talk crap about clock speeds the cpu will run at its rated speeds 3.8Ghz over 6 cores is its rated speed.

plz show me any evidence of a intel cpu not running at its rated speed in the last 5years. the 3.8Ghz is not an overclock its the out of the box speed

Alkalinepro5 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:45

opethdisciple said:
If you buy Ryzen the two most important things are mobo and the Ryzen friendly ram.

I think my chosen options are Ryzen friendly? If you have any advice happy to hear it.

I'm not looking for a crazy OC, but I want to squeeze as much as I can with the stock cooler.

opethdisciple · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:49

Alkalinepro5 said:
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£206.98)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£79.37)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£175.10)

I have this memory and it is NOT Ryzen friendly.

The mobo I cant comment. I'm sure it's fine but I would start a new thread in the mobo section asking for opinions.

With ram you need the Samsung B-die stuff.

If I'm not mistaken this is the ram you want.

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On the subject of mobo I would be buying an x370 board.

gavinh87 · 5 Nov 2017 at 15:59

opethdisciple said:
I have this memory and it is NOT Ryzen friendly.

The mobo I cant comment. I'm sure it's fine but I would start a new thread in the mobo section asking for opinions.

With ram you need the Samsung B-die stuff.

If I'm not mistaken this is the ram you want.

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On the subject of mobo I would be buying an x370 board.

Why the x370 board? The only thing they offer over the b350 is dual gpu support. Overclocking remains the same.

opethdisciple · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:00

gavinh87 said:
Why the x370 board? The only thing they offer over the b350 is dual gpu support. Overclocking remains the same.

Just because.

Also with AM4 being at least a few generations the mobo investment is actually important rather than the 'rip out and replace' Intel culture.

Alkalinepro5 · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:04

I can't see the benefit of X370 if overclocking remains the same...

So I will be sticking with the B!

gavinh87 · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:04

opethdisciple said:
Just because.

Also with AM4 being at least a few generations the mobo investment is actually important rather than the 'rip out and replace' Intel culture.

The only thing is be concerned about is making sure you get decent vrm's.
Chipset won't make a difference to longevity.
In fact I was kind of miffed when people on el cheapo b350's were getting the same overclock results as me on my crosshair hero. Given how cheap the b350s are even if one dies in 2 years time replacing it won't be an issue imo.

Panos · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:05

P4Clock said:
i agree the 8400 right now is a no go with the cpu and board prices,
How ever dont talk crap about clock speeds the cpu will run at its rated speeds 3.8Ghz over 6 cores is its rated speed.

plz show me any evidence of a intel cpu not running at its rated speed in the last 5years. the 3.8Ghz is not an overclock its the out of the box speed

The only speed Intel guarantees is the 2.8Ghz base clock one. Nothing else.

gavinh87 · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:06

Panos said:
The only speed Intel guarantees is the 2.8Ghz base clock one. Nothing else.

Even so, show us 1 8400 that can't do 3.8

Alkalinepro5 · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:08

gavinh87 said:
The only thing is be concerned about is making sure you get decent vrm's.
Chipset won't make a difference to longevity.
In fact I was kind of miffed when people on el cheapo b350's were getting the same overclock results as me on my crosshair hero. Given how cheap the b350s are even if one dies in 2 years time replacing it won't be an issue imo.

Exactly. I'm in my 30's now. The days of being mugged off buying "special editions" of motherboards with extra bits of plastic and a slightly fancier BIOS GUI are over....

P4Clock · 5 Nov 2017 at 16:27

Panos said:
The only speed Intel guarantees is the 2.8Ghz base clock one. Nothing else.

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The base speed is the speed at which the CPU will run at its rated 65w tdp. The CPU is rated to 4ghz over 1core and 3.8ghz over 6cores but the 65w tdp will be breached