Myleene Klass + 2yo daughter confronted by intruders; warned by police

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-illegal-kitchen-knife-intruders-garden.html

Yet another Daily Fail article highlighting the priorities of our wonderful police forces. When a young mother and her daughter are confronted by yobs trying, obviously the police priority is the public's safety, so must make sure that no offensive weapons are used by the homeowner. The worrying thing is, one can imagine this sort of thing is so common nowadays that this story wouldn't have made it into the media were it not for the fact that the home owner was famous.

Transparent, Sustainable and Inclusive Policing for the 21st Century.
 
she could wave anything at me, i wont report her to no one.

And Yes its a slow news BS story - no one cares really - she sold some extra papers for them - and they got to imply the country is falling apart and is fullof thugs - win win
 
Jonathan Shalit, Myleene's spokesperson told the Sunday Telegraph: 'Myleene was aghast when she was told that the law did not allow her to defend herself in er own home.
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I think a bit fat :rolleyes: is in order.

It's ridiculous how many people want there to be gaps in the law that allow them to maim, torture or kill... Utterly ridiculous.

And lol @ this:

'All she died was scream loudly and wave the knife to try and frighten them off.
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Our police force just need an education. That's all.

At the end of the day they are human, and do not know all the ins and outs of laws.

Plus, it's blown out of proportion by DM. Technically, a sharpened pencil is an offensive weapon if carried to cause harm. As she was in her own home, CJA subsection 4 would protect her even if she used it I'm sure.

Fortunately we have a judicial system above the police system.

And I call BS on "'Myleene was aghast when she was told that the law did not allow her to defend herself in er own home" as it isn't as cut and dry as that. AT ALL.

Anyone wants to test this theory. Break into my apartment now whilst I'm doing my ken suburi.
 
Such a stupid law. I can't even begin to describe how stupid it is.

Edit: I wouldn't want to hang any intruder up by the balls for weeks on end or take a circular saw to him.

I'd like to be able to knock him out cold or stop him escaping without getting prosecuted for ABH/GBH. I understand the 'reasonable force' *******s is very vague and what makes this such a pain in the arse issue.
 
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naffa said:
I think a bit fat :rolleyes: is in order.

It's ridiculous how many people want there to be gaps in the law that allow them to maim, torture or kill... Utterly ridiculous.

And lol @ this:
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What was she supposed to do? True, there shouldn't be gaps in the law to allow you to kill someone in your garden, but at the same time, the police force should be more focused on the fact that someone has committed an ACTUAL crime, and not the fact that she could have potentially hurt someone. She didn't, she only threatened them, and clearly it worked, so what is the problem?
 
We either need harsher punishment for every crime or the right to defend ourselves, our family and our property.

As far as I'm concerned any burglar who breaks into my house forfits any human rights until he leaves, if he/she can. I'd rather go to prison than allow my family to come to harm mentally of physically.
 
Kami said:
We either need harsher punishment for every crime or the right to defend ourselves, our family and our property.

As far as I'm concerned any burglar who breaks into my house forfits any human rights until he leaves, if he/she can. I'd rather go to prison than allow my family to come to harm mentally of physically.
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Not as cut and dry as that either is it?

I break into your home to steal a loaf of bread and you stab me in the back with a Samurai sword on my way out, then cut off all my fingers stir fry them and eat them in front of me as I lay dying in a pool of my own blood? Hardly justifiable.

You can't just forfeit human rights. The law is fine - police just need educating and targets need dropping.
 
Thats what you get with such a form of government we have coupled with a Police force where you need NO formal qualifications to join.
 
meghatronic said:
I break into your home to steal a loaf of bread and you stab me in the back with a Samurai sword on my way out, then cut off all my fingers stir fry them and eat them in front of me as I lay dying in a pool of my own blood? Hardly justifiable.
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Did he use seasoning? he might not be a complete monster.
 
ac1d1ty said:
Thats what you get with such a form of government we have coupled with a Police force where you need NO formal qualifications to join.
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This is my point - nail on head.

Targets, lack of qualifications and lack of training. Add 'discriminatory' attributes such as height and age and our police force is about as effective as a chocolate teapot.

Whilst I'm not sure the police should be intimidating (although this is what Sir Peel wanted - and certainly what other countries have), they should be able to do their job. I saw riot police the other day that didn't look like they shaved, let alone had a-levels to rub together.

^ generalisations
 
Don't see the problem? She was told she shouldn't be waving a knife around, which she shouldn't.

Why didn't she just lock her doors and ring the police, why try and scare them away?
 
meghatronic said:
Not as cut and dry as that either is it?

I break into your home to steal a loaf of bread and you stab me in the back with a Samurai sword on my way out, then cut off all my fingers stir fry them and eat them in front of me as I lay dying in a pool of my own blood? Hardly justifiable.

You can't just forfeit human rights. The law is fine - police just need educating and targets need dropping.
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What? There's a difference between waving a knife at an intruder and eating his fingers, and the law should recognize that. It's up to the jury to decide whether you were trying to get someone out of your home or simply torturing them.

I'm not saying it's right to be able to kill anyone that walks into your house, but it also isn't right to have to allow them in and give them a guided tour of your valuables. There is no clear cut borderline, which is why there cannot be a clear cut law. You may stab someone in the arm, only intending to wound them enough to get them to run, but if they die of blood loss, what happens then?

I appreciate this has likely been blown way out of proportion by our favourite daily mail, but my point still stands.
 
Come on guys lets use some common sense here. They were not a threat, they were in her garden. You cant rush out waving a knife around for somebody being your garden breaking into your shed, if we allow that sort of thing where is the line?

What happens when a kid gets stabbed for climbing a garden fence to retreive his football?

'But I thought it was a hoody coming to steal my strimmer!' screams home owner.
 
[TW]Fox;15702114 said:
Come on guys lets use some common sense here. They were not a threat, they were in her garden. You cant rush out waving a knife around for somebody being your garden breaking into your shed, if we allow that sort of thing where is the line?

What happens when a kid gets stabbed for climbing a garden fence to retreive his football?

'But I thought it was a hoody coming to steal my strimmer!' screams home owner.
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Common sense suggests that they could be armed themselves and had more in mind to do if they got away with the shed. I don't agree with the whole waving knives but we can't predict what these people will do.

Where do we draw the line where we act upon people on our land/property without permission? And if it's a child, you know they're not much harm, bit exaggerated example you used.
 
[TW]Fox;15702114 said:
Come on guys lets use some common sense here. They were not a threat, they were in her garden. You cant rush out waving a knife around for somebody being your garden breaking into your shed, if we allow that sort of thing where is the line?
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How about right here.

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At the threatening level and consider

What happens when a kid gets stabbed for climbing a garden fence to retreive his football?
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That as past it.
 
Tefal said:
At the threatening level and consider




That as past it.
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Ah but these guys breaking in were youths. Whats a youth? Does a 14 year old in a hoody count as a youth? Probably. The one just coming over your garden fence right now - whats he after? Your strimmer? Your life? His football? Or what?

Who cares, get out there with a knife.
 
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