Nani goal

Mr-White said:
I blame the ref, he lost control of the game and failed to instruct the players after an incident had occurred. If he had given a penalty, free kick or goal kick then he's made a decision but he didn't which has caused confusion between the players and other officials which is disgraceful.

MW
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He didn't make a decision hence you play on.
 
as jokester said, its basic football, you play to the whistle.
if you watch the replay, the linesman did not flag, until after the goal was scored, and when gomes ran towards him.
nani was beside gomes and looked at the ref, in a questioning manner, the ref raised his hands as if to say play on.
gomes just reacted too slow.
also why didn't he just pick up the ball?
it is not nani's fault.

reminds me a bit of when henry took that quick free kick a few years ago, he just got a nod from the ref and just tapped it in, when no one was ready.
 
Even though the referee made a pigs ear of the whole incident Gomez has to take responsibility for the goal, he shouldn't have put the ball down until he knew what the crack was, putting it down and then questioning was simply stupid.

I was more infuriated by how the referee allowed Rio Ferdinand to shout in both his and his assistants ear while they were in discussion.
 
mmj_uk said:
Even though the referee made a pigs ear of the whole incident Gomez has to take responsibility for the goal, he shouldn't have put the ball down until he knew what the crack was, putting it down and then questioning was simply stupid.

I was more infuriated by how the referee allowed Rio Ferdinand to shout in both his and his assistants ear while they were in discussion.
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its a chain reaction which caused it all. The ref and linesmen not seeing the hand ball, which was blatant. Gomes then assuming it was a free kick, because of the blatant hand ball. Then ref allowing rio to voice his opinion during a discussion between himself and the other official, but not any of the spurs players.

I would say Gomes made an honest mistake, the officials on the other hand were completely incompetent. To top it all off, what Nani done was completely unprofessional, if it had happened at the other end, Alex Ferguson would have surely ended up being banned from all football grounds after physically attacking anyone in sight. Bad sportsmanship, its a bit like that team instead of passing the ball back after the other team kicked it out, they ran up and scored whilst the other team assumed they were going to pass it back.
 
Play to the whistle

This 'play to the whistle' thing, while I agree with the principle, isn't really the key point here since the linesman saw the handball and flagged for it, albeit after the event.

In my opinion, Clattenburg is almost entirely to blame for one simple reason: he effectively plays advantage (even though he probably didn't know it at the time) but then ignores the fact that no advantage was obtained.

The linesman didn't flag straight away which caused some of the confusion, but then he probably didn't want to disrupt the flow of the game as Clattenburg would have certainly blown the whistle if he'd seen a flag being waved in that position as the value of allowing advantage is limited.

Assume that Clattenburg didn't see the handball...fine. He is playing on and wondering wtf Gomes is doing. But then when Nani has scored and suddenly the linesman starts flagging for handball, Clattenburg should simply have stated that no advantage was gained and he's bringing it back for a Spurs freekick.

Gomes had the ball on the ground...yes this was stupid...but the fact remains that the linesman saw the handball and flagged for it, therefore Clattenburg could and should have disallowed the goal.

Nani shares 0% of the blame. All he did was commit a handball offence, which happens all the time, and score a cheeky goal.

It was not necessarily a yellow card handball offence, as there is nothing in the laws to state that deliberate handball is ALWAYS a yellow card. For example...Jermaine Pennant catches the ball fractionally before it goes out of play by mistake. He deliberately handled the ball, but he did not deliberately handle it before it went out of play. Not a cautionable offence.

Even if it was a yellow card offence, this does NOT mean that the referee has to give a free kick. Yellow cards are issued after advantage has been played all the time.

Psycho Sonny said:
what Nani done was completely unprofessional
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On the contrary, it was completely professional.
 
Of course it was an honest mistake, that doesn't stop it being sodding stupid or entirely his fault. Advantage is gained when a team gains full control of the ball, he picked it up. He then placed the ball 10 yards from where any free kick could have been awarded. monumental school boy error and it would have been wrong not to exploit it.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
its a chain reaction which caused it all. The ref and linesmen not seeing the hand ball, which was blatant. Gomes then assuming it was a free kick, because of the blatant hand ball. Then ref allowing rio to voice his opinion during a discussion between himself and the other official, but not any of the spurs players.

I would say Gomes made an honest mistake, the officials on the other hand were completely incompetent. To top it all off, what Nani done was completely unprofessional, if it had happened at the other end, Alex Ferguson would have surely ended up being banned from all football grounds after physically attacking anyone in sight. Bad sportsmanship, its a bit like that team instead of passing the ball back after the other team kicked it out, they ran up and scored whilst the other team assumed they were going to pass it back.
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It wasn't bad sportsmanship, no player in the world would have done anything different, he even checked with the referee. Seriously, get a clue.
 
Advantage wasn't gained imo, it's no different to a player kicking the ball too far with a bad touch just after his team mate's heels were clipped and losing the ball. Advantage can be brought back four or five seconds after the offence, irrespective of the nature of the loss of the advantage.
 
so you wouldn't have full control of the ball?

4. The confusion

Even if Clattenburg was playing advantage, it would have been over as soon as Gomes had the ball in his hands. Advantage is accrued once the player has control of the ball and can play on unaffected.

Despite Nani's handball, a free-kick could not have been awarded once Gomes picked up the ball.
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Much as I may dislike Graham Poll all of the refs seem fairly clear on this point.
 
Where's that quote from? Graham Poll? Makes sense I suppose.

Forgetting advantage then, I still don't see why Clattenburg couldn't have brought it back for a free kick given that the linesman saw the handball but just didn't flag.
 
I don't understand this stuff about the advantage not being gained. Gomes had the ball completely undercontrol in his hands. The advantage has been gained.

If he did play the advantage like he says, then he's done so because Spurs retained possession in a safe situation. You can't pull it back because Gomes was an idiot and put the ball down thinking the ref gave the free-kick.

edit: I told Poll to say that :p
 
If this, if that.

If Gomes just kicked it out field without rolling it on the floor then none of this would have happened.

Just play to the whistle.
 
If an advantage is called ("play on") but no advantage is gained, shouldn't the ref call back play and give the free kick?

Just like if there is a foul in any other area of the pitch and advantage is played.
 
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