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Narcissists are winners . . .

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by stockhausen, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. krooton

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    Won't a fair few narcissist be suffering from perma-Dunning-Kruger effect?
     
  2. FoxEye

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    I don't fit in any of your boxes. I have traits from many of them.

    But when I look at the descriptions of your (not your, their) boxes, I see that they are all deeply flawed attempts to generalise extremely complicated and nuanced individuals.

    Sure it's great to have all these different diagnoses and whatever, so you make charts and write books and have diagrams. It keeps a whole industry of people employed. But I am not x-type and I am not y-type. I may straddle many of your types.

    It's all nonsense.
     
  3. stockhausen

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    No message.
     
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  4. Explosivo

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    I'm standing in a swamp with just my nose and eyes poking out.
    I'm naked from the waist down.
     
  5. Explosivo

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    .DOUBLE POST.
     
  6. pingu666

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    i guess it really depends, and how you define "winning" . in the case of my ex she would accept no responsibility for anything bad that happened (arguements mainly because she wanted something rediculous), and they have alot of toxic behaviours over time, that mentally exhaust you.

    so they can easily destroy stuff
     
  7. FoxEye

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    Which is also quite likely to change throughout the course of your life.
     
  8. humbug

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    If you think people like Trump are successful because they inherited it or are consistently lucky you really don't get it at all, these people are far more intelligent than the public persona they portray, they know exactly what they are doing and you are supposed to think they are all a bit daft, Churchill was also, apparently a bit daft. a bit "Bumbling Boris"

    How did this idiot end up Mayor of London elected twice in a row, how did he end up our PM with a huge majority?

    How indeed.

     
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  9. mid_gen

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    Boris isn't an idiot. I don't think he's particular narcissistic either, he's just very privileged, and very ambitious, and moderately smart.

    Trump however, is an absolute moron. A filthy rich, narcissistic moron who is incredibly easy to manipulate. He's not ended up where he has through competence.
     
  10. StriderX

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    We know Trump isn't successful, there's literally evidence for it... you could start by looking at it. That said Johnson is certainly not Trump, he's not stupid by any stretch, goodness knows about his private life, but it doesn't seem to affect his professional life much, unlike the aforementioned 'leader'.

    There's absolutely no point in trying to use the fact that people can elect whoever they want to positions of power, especially in a system that forces people to choose between two extremes. That's before one realises that there's plenty of idiots in every country, a solid minority and a solid minority is all that's required realistically in FPTP. That goes for either main party, before one get's agitated about conferments of generalisation onto a population, plenty of stupid people vote Labour as well, it's the forever voters and drive-by bigots foisted on us by human nature as punishment.

    The fact is that people are fed up of the western political system entirely, it doesn't do anything substantive and isn't being honest with it's patricians and plebians about anything. Additionally, old allegiances haven't actually meant any significant change for people who are tired of waiting for it. This bore out in votes in the last decade in a lot of countries. People are tired of gaining nothing (nearly zero gain for ~50 years going by net wages, the middle class was built and now it's being erased) from capitalism while the rich flaunt 'their' (ours' in a sense, as it is so disproportionate) recently gained wealth around like it's nothing. All the while a few extremely bad wealthy eggs seemingly get away with wanton criminality (Epstein and friends).

    Then you have a mountain of fears for personal privacy, job availability in an age of rapid automation, quality of education for children, ecological disasters, antibiotic resistance, anti-science dogma, etc... the list isn't endless but it might as well be, people are shutting off, they're retreating to groups to defend themselves, critical thought be damned, can't be afraid of the future if you don't care. The chaos has barely begun.

    /cheery post brought to you by your friendly local doomer. :)

    //went rather far into the deep there as well... I'm sure in some way it is relevant, probably in retrospect though, purely for the argument, the reality of decline is not actually desired.
     
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  11. humbug

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    I have a very different out look to you, i'm going to get a lot of hate for this.

    Climate change extremism and mass immigration are just a part of an out of control capitalist system, like some second wave children's crusade its about shaming and frightening people into paying ever more taxes to those who promise to protect us from it, climate related taxes only move one way, up, to large international corporations who benefit from it in the form of expiation, for example building unless wind farms, carbon tax trading is a vast business in its self that 20 years ago didn't exist, and its all more and more of your hard earned money that flows into it and that's why you have less and less of it while the establishment get ever fatter.

    Where as 20 years a go the equivalent today of a semi-skilled worker may have been paid £14 per hour now those people are imported and paid £9 per hour, this reduces the wage bill, it stagnates wages on a national level, who benefits from that?

    Why pay £30,000 each to train up our own young to go into the medical profession when we can just yeet them from less fortunate countries who have trained them up for us? 'to use just one example' those less fortunate countries may need them which is why they are spending that money to train them and with that our young people who now pay for their own higher eduction end up working in a call centre paying off their huge debts.

    And its all possible when all you need to do is tell those people who complain about this that they are racist and climate change deniers.

    Labour have not been for the working classes since Tony Blair was elected, they are even worse now, they are more Tory than the Tories while the Tories have spotted and moved into that giant Labour gap in the market.
     
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  12. ANDREW GREEN

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    University graduates aren't working in call centres because of immigrants they're working in call centres because they haven't learnt a skill of an value in their university course. It's always been this way, it's just there are more junk degrees today. If you develop skillsets that employers require you get well paid jobs.

    Can you actually show any evidence that immigration is surpressing wages? It's possible but I'd bet it's more likely skillsets that are in demand have changed because of automation.

    As for Tony being more for working classes than Corbyn. You're having a laugh mate. Blair was a corrupt politician way to the right of Corbyn by a country mile. Corbyn was always a proponent of a £10/Hour minimum wage. Do working class people not need hospital, schools, police and council services?

    As for climate change it's a small proportion of government spending.
     
  13. humbug

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    Like "Gender Studies"

    This study only goes back 10 years and the problem is much older than that. https://www.tuc.org.uk/research-analysis/reports/pay-working-class-jobs?page=0

    Its not so much Curbyn's politics i have a problem with, i agree with quite a lot of it, he's also a Brexiter.
    Labours problem comes from its Champaign Socialist membership that has completely taken over the party, you know those types who think Gender Studies is not just worthwhile education, but critical for their utopian social engineering.

    The government doesn't have any money of its own, all of it is your money, it comes out of your pocket and all the various carbon taxes are forcing quite a lot of people into fuel poverty.
     
  14. dowie

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    Moderately smart? Compared to what?

    Kings scholar at Eton then one of the hardest degrees (at the time) at Oxford.