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Nationalism

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Illgresi, Feb 3, 2017.

  1. JeditOjanen

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    It's almost like extremism is the problem.
     
  2. LabR@t

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    While millions are warped by religious beliefs, it wouldn't work. To many hold beliefs that are still medieval.
     
  3. Faustus

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    I think you can say goodbye to a lot more than Liberal democracy. We have been there last century and it didn't end well. Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.
     
  4. Faustus

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    The way I see it, the official opposition currently at Westminster are certain sections of the Tory party, ridiculous as that sounds. It is they who got the government to do a U-turn on NICs and it's they who are giving the government a hard time over school funding formula among other things. Behind the scenes though there is a lot of in-fighting taking place within the Tory party too. It's just they are far more disciplined in keeping it under wraps than Labour.

    With regard to Labour and their totally ineffective opposition. I am convinced this is all part of the plan by those who want Corby out. Instead of holding the government to account over policy those who want him out are simply sitting on their hands and doing nothing. This is doing more to weaken Corbyn than their strategy of fighting him head on.
     
  5. platypus

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    I'd disagree with this somewhat. I think the Tories are currently banging the nationalist drum because its the current way the wind is blowing, and it's easy to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    I think the Tories are anything but nationalist though, happily selling off our national assets to whomever, take for example our nuclear industry. I think there is an awful lot to be worried about with this Tory government having its shackles of reason from the EU removed. The US must be salivating at the pickings it can snap up with a UK desperate to form a deal with anyone post-EU.

    And this is where Nationalism is dangerous. Teresa May can keep banging on about how leaving the EU will be a success because we're British, and because Britain is a major player! Still yet to see any evidence of how we're going to make a success out of it, and I don't consider the likely outcome of being railroaded by the US into deals that favour the US a success.
     
  6. JeditOjanen

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    I just need to throw out the regular reminder that it's Theresa May, not Teresa. This is very important when trying to search for references on the internet, particularly at work, because Teresa May is a porn star.
     
  7. platypus

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    Oops. I guess my work are better at filtering out that kind of naughty stuff.
     
  8. White_hell

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    hahaha I wonder how many people have "accidently" searched that at work.
     
  9. mrochester

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    I live about 50 metres north of Hadrian's wall so I'll be ok.
     
  10. Roland Butter

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    After a few months of living in the Scottish republic, you'll be demanding to get back into the UK.
     
  11. StriderX

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    Conflation that only the silly sectarian dwellers care to point out, don't worry if Indyref2 fails, Federal Britain where the royals are kicked to the curb is up next.
     
  12. {T5K}TT

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    Since Nationalism/Patriotism, channeled effectively within our rule of law, is fundamentally a force for good I do hope the UK has now a more Nationalist/Patriotic government.
     
  13. Dj_Jestar

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    Gonna need some evidence that Nationalism is "fundamentally a force for good" though I'm not expecting much from you because you already confuse Nationalism with Patriotism.
     
  14. efish

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    Its fundamentaly a system to organize large scale populations. Neither a force for good or bad its an abstract idea. It has no fundamental essence. Place the idea in a rotten soul or a second rate politician the outcome is far from good.

    I agree that civil society has to be firmly rooted in law. I worry as a form of nationalist/ patritism is being adopted by politicians from across the political spectrum in an attempt to alter the system with concepts that run contrary to British law and sovereignty.

    Its almost a daily occurance from authoritarian minded politicians in labour the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, wrapping themsleves in the flag and suggesting models that have never been part of our legal civic identity and in reality run entirly contrary to our traditional concepts of what law and what a civil society is.

    Paradox that needs to be overcome, nationalisim can also be essentialy bad and bad to the bone, although this would appear not to be a defining feature of all aspects of nationalsim.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017