NATO forces won't destroy Poppies : Afghanistan

HEADRAT

HEADRAT

HEADRAT

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Hi,

Even though we are occupying Afghanistan it is still one of the largest producers of Heroin, NATO have actually told the farmers that they won't be destroying their crops.

:mad: As far as I'm concerned this is a disgrace, we should burn every last field we see, what is the justification for leaving these fields intact!

HEADRAT
 
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Rebelius said:
cocaine comes from poppies? I thought it was heroin/opiates.

Anyhow, you're right - we should be burning those poppies.
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Yeah its opiates (morphine and codeine IIRC)
 
If they done this it would turn most of the warlords in the area against them, wait until nato had dealt with the taliban and then they will take care of the poppies.
 
And then leave the farmers without any crops? Yes we need to get rid of the poppies(Its the opium poppy btw, which does not produce cocaine), but we need to give the farmers a viable alternative. If we simply waded in and burnt the fields to the ground, all that would do it vastly increase support of the Taliban etc.
 
Cocaine doesn't come from poppies, opium does :confused:

Anyway, I don't think the local populace would take very well to completely destroying the livelihoods of so many farmers.
 
I agree with Headrat, burn the fields. Give the farmers every encouragement to grow useful crops such as oil seeds, corn, even spuds and guarantee that we will buy them from them for 5 years or until they get their economy back on track. Make it profitable for them as a carrot but threaten the 'napalm' as the stick.

The armed forces of any country have a sole purpose, to protect her sovereignty and the freedom and safety of her citizens and by allowing the poppy fields to remain it is tantamount to trafficking the drugs onto our streets themselves. :mad:
 
If they kill the Crops the farmers wont have an Income.

Now if a famer doesnt have an income then all the Taliban have to do is go to them and say "Come fight for us and we will give money to suport your family and you will get to kill the people that ruined your lively hood"

Then we would end up having a huge increase in taliban numbers.


Also i IIRC we get a lot of poppys for medicinal use from the region aswell
 
We get opiates from poppies which will mainly go into herion.

If we burn all these feild then we will illimate a minor drug problem in the world and create a new one elce where. Along with this new crop to seek and destroy we will have new reasons for the middle east to hate us as we go and destroy the only means of income for for there farmers.

This would make us just as bad as the terrorist that we are there to "find".

The heroin trade is very profitable and so it isnt going to go away, all we will get is a lot of dying families that cant meet the demands of the drug lords that buy it from them or have enough money to feed the children.
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Got beaten to it :p
 
HEADRAT said:
But it's an illegal trade that kills far more people than terrorism.

HEADRAT
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you're saying that opiates kill more people than they save?

i'm pretty sure they have a very important place in the modern medical world :p

edit - people want heroin, they will get it one way or another
 
HEADRAT said:
So people only overdoes and die because it's illegal :confused:
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Well in truth yes.

Drugs that are legal have to be regulated by government and so can be combated in a reasonable way. I.e education. By educating the masses properly about dose's and methods people can then be safer doing this drug. Also as its legal and produced by a company in a lab and not a london basement, it makes it all the more safer and less likely to contain anything extra thats harmful.

When heroin first hit the streets of the Uk this is when the most deaths occured as people didnt know how much to take. And as far as proving the purity part, in vietnam when US soldiers bought it from locals they didnt have to inject it as it was 98% pure. They just snorted it.
 
Smiley Man said:
you're saying that opiates kill more people than they save?
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No I'm saying that heroin kills more people than terrorism, we are in Afghanistan to put on end to terrorism (or so we are told) so surely also putting a stop to this illegal trade is just a cherry on the cake.

HEADRAT
 
HEADRAT said:
But it's an illegal trade that kills far more people than terrorism.

HEADRAT
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So?

Besides, it isn't all illegal. Morphine and Codeine have medicinal uses.

Besides which, opium is nothing more than an opiate for the masses.

Oh, wait...
 
We should use our foreign aid budgets to buy the poppies instead of the drug dealers. In time as the country stabilises with a competent police force we can gradually reduce the money we spend buying the poppies and introduce harsher penalties for growing them.
 
where does the UK get all it's opiates from? do we have controlled poppy fields in the UK somewhere for our codeine and morphine etc?

I guess it's better for farmers to sell to people who'll turn it into heroin than people who'll turn it into codeine/morphine?
 
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