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Need a bit more power from my 125.

Discussion in 'Biker's Cafe' started by marc1024, Jul 4, 2011.

  1. marc1024

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 20, 2010

    Posts: 1,563

    Location: Scotland, My home.

    As some of you may know i have a 1984 honda xl125 :) its blown up a few times but now iv spent the money on it and its had a complete rebuild!(bottom and top end) It actually feels now its putting out its full 12hp :)!!
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    Iv recently changed the rear sprocket to give me more top end, i can sit at 60mph now at 7000rpm, instead of 8500rpm to save me a bit of fuel. But going 2 teeth down at the back has given me a dramatic reduction in acceleration.
    Iv given the carb a full clean/rebuild and all the float levels and jets have been set to standard. I tried leaning it off but as soon as you thrash it, it will just overheat and it will become impossible to start when it shuts off when you slow down or get to traffic lights. Right now i can leave it for a week, go out one morning and it will start first kick with no choke!

    Anyway, do any of you lot have any old school tuning tweaks to give me that extra acceleration? i dont want to spend £2000 on a 135cc bore kit with high compression pistons and a stronger crank to support that and high lift cams etc. I was considering getting a new style exhaust system for it to make it go a bit better but i find it hard to find a good looking one. My dad made a very simple straight through pipe including the manifold. Honestly iv never heard anything so **** loud! the manifold has a small step down, the exhaust port is about 1 1/2inch but the manifold steps down to 1/2 inch so that will be restricting it. Rightly so, the straight through pipe gave me tonnes of acceleration at the expense of killing my ears! so thats a no no.
     
  2. arctine

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 7, 2009

    Posts: 3,942

    There are no real 'quick' tweaks that you can do without spending money on parts and shortening the life of your engine, not to mention the increase in fuel consumption.

    It really isn't worth it mate, if you want a quick 125 then buy a new bike like an NSR or RS125. The thing is though, these 2 strokes are a pain in the arse to upkeep.

    You're best off getting a bigger 4 stroke bike.
     
  3. Maccapacca

    Tea

    Joined: Apr 13, 2010

    Posts: 16,840

    Location: Sunny Sussex

    You'll struggle to get cheap improvements from a 4 stroke 125, you could do what we used to do as youngsters and stick in a bigger engine from the same manufacturer say a 250 or something but you'll just invalidate your insurance and assuming your on a CBT won't have the licence to ride it.

    At the end of the day the xl125 wasn't really designed for speed just reliable commutering on a m/x look.

    Are you on a CBT? you could sell it and buy a bigger bike as 125's hold their money well
     
  4. Dogbreath

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 16,651

    Location: Devon

    Fit a larger rear sprocket, an extra two teeth should help greatly ;)

    Economy and performance are not really compatible on a 125.
     
  5. marc1024

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 20, 2010

    Posts: 1,563

    Location: Scotland, My home.

    well it works out i got 50-55mpg when sitting at 60mph at 8500rpm, when it put a 2 tooth less sprocket on the back it went down to 7000rpm at 60mph with a minimum of 70mpg, not worked it out exactly as iv not done a long run with the new sprocket. I just want to get up to 60 slightly quicker :(

    Also i dont really want to get a bigger bike until iv done my driving test, i keep failing on the theory so ill be on my CBT for a very long time loll! im not to keen on bigger bikes, but i have been eyeing up KTM super moto what is road legal. Dont know what size though, probably 450cc.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2011
  6. Doug

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 4,296

    Location: Newcastle

    Get your hands on the official DSA program, it will take you through all of the questions.
    I've also got the AA Theory Test iPhone App, which is great for doing a few questions whenever you find a free minute.

    Using the two of these I only got 2 questions wrong when I did mine.

    And, since I'm a lazy goit who's let it expire :o, I'm using them again :)
     
  7. marc1024

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 20, 2010

    Posts: 1,563

    Location: Scotland, My home.

    got both but my brain cant cope any more with questions and revision! no matter how hard i study i just cant get it into my head. i took week of work once just to study. did about 5 hours a day (not all at once) and 5 hours before the test. Went in and only got 25 in the multiply choice and 65/70 for the hazard perception. Going for my 4th time this sunday!

    Another thing i would like to ask about my bike, what about changing the carb? as in getting a completely different carb, would that give it more power?
     
  8. Dogbreath

    Capodecina

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    Location: Devon

    It's unlikely to make any noticeable difference unless the one that's fitted is particularly restrictive, and you'll have all the hassle and expensive of getting the different carb correctly jetted for your engine.
     
  9. Flukester

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Nov 1, 2007

    Posts: 4,402

    Location: Christchurch UK

    problem with a 4t 125 is there are pretty much no magic solutions to extract more power...that motor is built for 12bhp nothing more. most the 2t 125cc machines are restricted as they naturally make ~25bhp or more, so liberating more power is usually a case of removing the restriction

    you don't have reed valves / expansion chambers in pipe / ypvs systems etc etc...

    for a guranteed boost in both acceleration and terminal velocity I suggest riding off beechy head, bike will only be good for this once though :)
     
  10. Dogbreath

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 16,651

    Location: Devon

    You can tune these engines; larger valves, ported head, wilder cams etc. are all possible, but it will be expensive and anything you do to significantly increase the power is going to have a fairly big impact on fuel economy, which appears to be important to you.
     
  11. Kezmo

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Apr 28, 2006

    Posts: 2,211

    Location: Northampton

    get one of these
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  12. jon.bda

    Mobster

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    Location: Shropshire-ville

    Did anyone see the feature PB did on an R125 a few months ago?. Must of spent the thick end of about £2k iirc (inc a Mallossi 180cc kit) and the thing still failed to crack a proper 90mph...
    :o
     
  13. izit

    Gangster

    Joined: Feb 12, 2011

    Posts: 312

    lose weight?
     
  14. Sagalout

    Soldato

    Joined: Nov 13, 2003

    Posts: 5,668

    Location: Harrogate

    Hehe, I have one of those - gives me about 0.1mph on my TT bike :)