Need help buying a new gaming rig - £1200

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Hi there

I am looking to buy a new PC and i have some questions i hope you can help me with
It seems like only last week when i got my last PC

Asus AV8 motherboard socket 939 AGP
Athlon 64 3400+
ATIx850xt
2gig of cheap generic ram
250gb hard drive (cant remember what make,probably a cheap one)
cheap old monitor

It seems i made the tragic mistake of not going PCI-E when i got this rig.
If it was PCI i could just upgrade the Graphics card and ram, maybe even the processor and it would be up to standards but since it is not i might as well go the whole hog and upgrade to a good PCI-E system.
I hope to not make any stupid mistakes like that this time. So hopefully you can help me with my selection.

My first question is, how much do you think i could get for my current PC if i was to try and sell it?

And actually thinking about it now, would i get a good performance gain by upgrading that current system with an 19850 pro AGP card, 2gig of 800mhz RAM and a nice new flat screen LCD monitor?
Is the x850xt that far behind the x1950 pro that it would be a worth while performance gain?

And also i am confused about the monitors, i am getting a flat screen LCD no matter what, i hear about people playing games at 1600x resolution, do they do that on any good standard 19" LCD monitor?, or are they only able to do that with the expensive 20" and above monitors that have a default resolution of 1600x ?
And also , would widescreen be a better choice for gaming?, i read some games do not work in widescreen, does that mean it would not work at all on a widescreen monitor or that it would still be able to work normaly on a widescreen monitor but just not in widescreen mode?

Ok, so here we go, i have around £1150 to spend on a new gaming rig
(should the x1950 pro+ram+monitor upgrade prove not worth while)

Here is what i have came up with over the last day. I really need help as to whether or not these components are compatible, if the case i have chosen is sufficient for these parts and if you think it is good for future upgrades.

Antec SLK3000B Midi Tower Case - No PSU - £34

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-027-AN


OCZ GameXStream 600w Silent SLI Ready ATX2 Power Supply - £76

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-OC

Gigabyte GA_965P_S3 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard - £72

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-063-GI

Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz - £152

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-127-IN

GeIL 2GB(2x1)PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra LowLatency DDR2 DualChanelKit - £135

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-058-GL

OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - £364

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-051-OK


Samsung SpinPoint P SP2504C 250GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM - £50

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-018-SA

OcUK Value Hanns-G HW191D 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - £129

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-017-OK

Sony DDU-1615 DVD-ROM - £11

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-020-SO

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Sound Card - £18

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-040-CL

Sony Floppy Drive - Black - £5

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-001-OK

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition inc. SP2 - £58

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=OS-001-MS

Thermaltake Blue Orb II Socket 939/754/775) CPU Cooler - £18

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-005-TT


Sub Total : £960.83

Shipping : £14.95

Vat : £170.76

TOTAL : £1,146.54



First off, have i got EVERYTHING i need for a new PC?, do i need any other little stuff to make it work ?
I do not need a keyboard & mouse, dvd-writer or speakers.

I think the main thing i would be worried about is the motherboard?, is it compatible, is it good enough?, i have a couple of tenners left and can mix and match the other stuff to squeeze a couple more bucks if you think a better motherboard would be worth the money being spent there.


*edit* Scratch what i said about overclocking, i have decided to give it a go*edit*
So with that in mind, is that cheap CPU cooler i chose enough to get by or should i get a better one?
Please fell free to mix and match all the stuff to come up with a better rig for the same price
(give or take 50 bucks)


My biggest fear about buying this rig is getting it built, i know next to nothing about building a PC myself, i have installed a new dvd ROM, graphics card and even a hard drive before but with exact instructions that even an idiot like me can understand.
When i got my current PC i opened the case up on the table, opened up all the stuff, motherboard,processor ect..took one look at all the wires then realised i did not know my arse from my elbow and packed it away, was a real pain finding a place to get it built and im probably paranoid but i don't just want to spend all this money on a pc then hand it over to some stranger in town and trust him with it(if he does not assemble it right i will probably never know)

I found this guide online www.mysuperpc.com , it looks good and i have been studying it , last time when i tried to build it, i had no internet access and could not refer to a guide like this while trying to build it. So is it really that hard to take all these components and build them up to a proper PC?, do you think it cant be done by an idiot like me or should i just try and get it built for me?

Its a shame Overclockers don't assemble them for you at an appropriate price.

I seen some sites out there that do offer a customized PC, but they cant match OC for price and the components are not to EXACT specs that i would like to chose from. Also i read some bad reviews from people saying they got wrong parts, badly built ect ect, Any body ever used one of these before?

The thing is getting a new PC built myself is a royal pain in the arse and the extra money almost seems worth it.

Anyway sorry for hitting you with so many questions :)

Thanks for any help you can give me.
 
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Okay...

Firstly, anyone who uses computers with the right components and a little care can build one. If I can do it, anyone can!

Secondly, these might be some good specs for the money:-

GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C5 800MHz Value DDR2 Dual Channel Kit
£123.36

Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £82.24

Corsair HX 520W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-520HXUK) £72.84

Scythe Ninja Plus Rev.B Heatpipe CPU Cooler (478/754/939/940/AM2/LGA755) £35.24

Akasa Eclipse 62 Aluminium Case - No PSU
£103.38

Samsung SH-W183 18x18 DVD±RW Serial ATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
£23.49

Intel Core 2 DUO E6300 "LGA775 Allendale" 1.86GHz (1066FSB) - OEM £119.84

Samsung SpinPoint P SP2504C 250GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM £50.51

OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail £364.24

Belinea 1925S1W 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black/Silver
£136.29

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition inc. SP2 - OEM - 1Pk (N09-01528) £58.74

Total = £1,187.73
 
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Hi, thanks for the help

my cart now looks like this


Antec SLK3000B Midi Tower Case - No PSU £34

Scythe Ninja Plus Rev.B Heatpipe CPU Coole £35

Corsair HX 520W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU £72

Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 £82

Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz £152

OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) £364.24

GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C5 800MHz Value DDR2 Dual Channel Kit £123.36

Belinea 1925S1W 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black/Silver £136.29

Samsung SpinPoint P SP2504C 250GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM £50.51

Sony Floppy Drive £5

Sony DDU-1615 DVD-ROM (Black) - OEM £11

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Sound Card - OEM £18

Samsung SH-W183 18x18 DVD±RW Serial ATA Dual Layer ReWriter £23

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition inc. SP2 £59

TOTAL = £1,187

OK, so is that a better PC performance wise that the first list i had?

Also, will that power supply be enough should i decide to use the SLI features and put another 8800 in the PC some time down the line?

You can see i went for a very cheap case again, i dont really care about looks, so what would be the befit of getting a dearer case?,
How do i make sure the case i picked , the
Antec SLK3000B Midi Tower Case - No PSU £34
Will be able to fit the stuff inside? especially with that big CPU cooler.
 
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When reading the how to build a pc guide, i read a part about the guy using the floppy to install windows while he was building the system so i just figured i might need one. Are they not necessary?

And for the sound card, i thought i would need one surely, i listen to a lot of music and such like.

In my current system i have an old sb live 5.1 card it has been perfect for me, so i thought i would just get another cheap sound card. I can not remember what it sounds like without a sound card, are you telling me it is not really needed?

And that Lian-Li case does look good im definitely going to try and work it in. :)
 
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The ASUS P5N-E SLI does have inbuilt 6 channel sound, its good enough for me with gaming at the least.

As long as you have WIndows XP, you can boot and install via that CD. (windows VISTA I assume does the same).

I have the E4300 and P5N-E, and currently have it at over 3300 MHZ on the stock cooler.

Corsair 520W I also have, and is frankly amazing. I couldnt recommend it high enough.

I am using Geil RAM, and it seems to be perfect :)

If you "only" using a 19" monitor, personally I would only get an 8800 GTS. you could always add another later for SLI, or sell the 8800 in say 6 months at get the new and best card. I dont think much will push things at a 19" resolution anyways.
 
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Can I hi-jack the thread for a moment?

Dark_Angel. Im having problems getting my e4300 to go past 3.0Ghz with the P5N-E. To be honest, im not really complaining at that speed, im pretty happy. But was hoping for better. What kind of changes did u make in the BIOS. I have tried a couple of things, but Vista usually locks up after anything up to half an hour. So at the moment I have gone back to mainly stock settings and just upped the FSB to 333 (1333)
 
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Dark_Angel said:
I have the E4300 and P5N-E, and currently have it at over 3300 MHZ on the stock cooler.

I have the same spec and i can't get it to 3.3 if you could PM me so not to hijack thread please with setting i would be grateful
 
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I would drop the 6400 to be honest, its not enough performance increase, I am a noob overclocker and got my 4300 to 2.8g so I would want to spend another 40 to me doesn't make sense!
 
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Thanks for the replies guy, i just have a couple of more questions before i place my order.

Is the
Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650
really a better choice that the
Asus P5N32-E SLi nForce 680 ?

I know there is a £70 difference but i am thinking about 8 months down the line when i am looking at my PC and thinking, damn my motherboard is letting the team down.
Especially regarding SLI dual GPU`s, in reading i see that the 650 only has 8x SLI while the 680 has 16x SLI
Is this a major factor in the performance of an SLI system?

I also read in a review that the 650 is prone to just rebooting the computer at random when plugging in a usb device, any of you had that problem?

My other question was about the monitor.
Belinea 1925S1W 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-005-BE

Does this monitor run at 85mhz refresh rate while at its native resolution.
I read in the reviews there by someone who said it was 60mhz and they had to turn down the resolution to get it at 85. can any of you clarify this please?
If so, do you know if any of the other monitors hat are around the same price allow 85mhz?

I am going to sick with the 8800gtx rather than save some money for a gts
I have been eating bread and drinking water for the last 6 month so i could afford a top line gaming rig.

I am definitely going to take your advice about the processor though, I am going with the 6300. After reading through the forums i feel more confident about overclocking and so the 6300 seems the wise choice.
 
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There are problems with the 680i boards at the mo, so for your first build I think 650 is a better choice (admittedly not all 680 boards are problematic, but you want to cut out as many chances of a mishap on your first build imo)

With a 19" monitor you wont ever need sli at all, so dont worry about it in the slightest - and in regards to comparing the GTS and GTX cards I promise you with that screen you will not notice any difference at all with the GTS.

The GTX only comes into consideration for most with a 20" widescreen at minimum and really the 24" screens(and bigger)

Refresh rates on LCD's are largely irrelevant, please dotn fret like people rightly did with CRT's. The tech works so completely differently that the 60Hz refresh isnt a problem at all for 99% of people, in which case you have to use CRT's anyway

That monitor is fine though but if you saved on the graphics card by getting a GTS you could get a 20" or 22" widescreen instead and still run optimally.

Personally I have never liked XP Home, I would always pay a little more for MCE or Professional if I were you but thats more personal choice I admit

Good Luck
 
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HamishBhoy said:
Thanks for the replies guy, i just have a couple of more questions before i place my order.

Is the
Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650
really a better choice that the
Asus P5N32-E SLi nForce 680 ?

I know there is a £70 difference but i am thinking about 8 months down the line when i am looking at my PC and thinking, damn my motherboard is letting the team down.
Especially regarding SLI dual GPU`s, in reading i see that the 650 only has 8x SLI while the 680 has 16x SLI
Is this a major factor in the performance of an SLI system?

I also read in a review that the 650 is prone to just rebooting the computer at random when plugging in a usb device, any of you had that problem?

My other question was about the monitor.
Belinea 1925S1W 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-005-BE

Does this monitor run at 85mhz refresh rate while at its native resolution.
I read in the reviews there by someone who said it was 60mhz and they had to turn down the resolution to get it at 85. can any of you clarify this please?
If so, do you know if any of the other monitors hat are around the same price allow 85mhz?

I am going to sick with the 8800gtx rather than save some money for a gts
I have been eating bread and drinking water for the last 6 month so i could afford a top line gaming rig.

I am definitely going to take your advice about the processor though, I am going with the 6300. After reading through the forums i feel more confident about overclocking and so the 6300 seems the wise choice.


The 32x lanes on the P5N boards dont make much difference when tested with 2 8800GTX, only a few hundred 3dmarks iirc, so if you go SLi GTX's at some point it wouldnt hinder your performance. The 650i boards are very new so may have a few issues but they'll be ironed out in due course.

Refresh rates dont matter much on LCD's, I recently migrated from a CRT and now run mine at 60Hz and games run smoother as a result (less refreshes, less work, more fps). What you're looking for in a TFT is a low pixel response time and decent contrast ratio.

Here's how I'd spend the £1200. Naturally I think it's the best so far - you get a 22inch screen capable of a much better resolution than the 19inch, some Geil ULL performance ram (@only £129 - cant believe it personally, they were charging £170 a week ago) and the 4300 instead of the 6300 - the 4300 has a higher multi thus doesn't need such a high FSB in order to clock well.

Product Name Qty Price Line Total
Belinea 2225S1W 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black/Silver £179.99
(£211.49) £179.99
(£211.49)
Intel Core 2 DUO E4300 "LGA775 Allendale" 1.80GHz (800FSB) - Retail £95.99
(£112.79) £95.99
(£112.79)
GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX22GB6400UDC) £109.99
(£129.24) £109.99
(£129.24)
Samsung SH-W183 18x18 DVD±RW Serial ATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM £19.99
(£23.49) £19.99
(£23.49)
Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £69.99
(£82.24) £69.99
(£82.24)
OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail £309.99
(£364.24) £309.99
(£364.24)
Samsung SpinPoint P SP2504C 250GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM £42.99
(£50.51) £42.99
(£50.51)
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-620HXUK) £87.99
(£103.39) £87.99
(£103.39)
Antec P180 Advanced Super Midi Tower Case - No PSU (Black) £69.99
(£82.24) £69.99
(£82.24)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket 775) £9.99
(£11.74) £9.99
(£11.74)
Sub Total : £996.90
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
City Link Parcel Next Day (Delivered Mon-Fri)
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £24.95
Vat : £178.82
Total : £1,200.67

I reckon you'll get £300 for your old kit, if you split it and fire it on ebay, may aswell keep the harddrive though.
 
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HamishBhoy said:
{snip}Antec SLK3000B Midi Tower Case - No PSU £34{snip}
LOL! Nice setup, but you plan to put it in such a case :eek: Would the GTX fit in there anyway?

Please get the Lian-Li PC-7 PLUS (out of stock :( but should be back soon). & don't let the price fool you. Most here would vote for it hands down as the best case below the £80 mark :cool:
 
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