New 911 Turbo

Hi there

Yep the Porsche 911 has always won hands down for been the most practical super car. :)

You can drive it on our roads and use all of its power, even in the wet and you can even drive them in snow. This is something that cannot be done with a Ferrari or Lambo. :)
 
Gibbo said:
You can drive it on our roads and use all of its power, even in the wet and you can even drive them in snow. This is something that cannot be done with a Ferrari or Lambo. :)
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I'm sorry, but that's tosh. The current crop of Lambos are fine in all weathers, thanks to Audi sticking AWD systems in. The new Ferraris too, with the clever e-diff.

Of course you won't be able to drive it like you could in the dry, but if you're doing that in a high powered sports car such as those mentioned in this thread, you probably shouldn't be driving it in the first place.
 
Nozzer said:
I'm sorry, but that's tosh. The current crop of Lambos are fine in all weathers, thanks to Audi sticking AWD systems in. The new Ferraris too, with the clever e-diff.

Of course you won't be able to drive it like you could in the dry, but if you're doing that in a high powered sports car such as those mentioned in this thread, you probably shouldn't be driving it in the first place.
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So you can drive a Lambo aggressively down some tight little twisty back roads? Sorry but I aint talking tosh you try driving a Lambo down twisty roads with not so great road surface as if anything comes the other way its gonna be tight and the ride height means you may loose some bits such as front aprons etc..

The Ferrari's well they can be very tail happy and their traction systems are very late as they let the driver sort things, but again on a twisty road you may not have enough space.

The Porsche is definetely the quickest point to point car on our UK roads, the Ferrari and Lambo cannot compare. Yes the Lambo has 4WD which helps but the size and lowness of the things and you could have an expensive bill if you catch something on our crappy roads.

The Porsche is that bit smaller, better suited to our roads and more nimble. :)
 
I would not like to drive a Lambo or ferrari for long distances no way! They are cramped and not as nice an comfy or practical for that matter as a porsche hands down!

My step dad who has recently driven down to portugal in his 997 to live down there, he said it was fine, this was loaded with stuff so he could live. The 997 from when i was in the car with him was extremely quick! As soon as the C4 came out we were both really liking the look of them, umming and awwwing about how much faster it would be than the Cerrara S.

The 997 Carrera S was on contract hire however for 2 years which imo is the best way. Its like £500 a month.

he is currently pondering whether to get a Turbo on contract hire once the current contract finishes, so ill be watching this thread closely!

Shame he wouldnt let me drive it, i said to him ive been driving for 5 months whats the problem! :p Then he said you've got to be 31 or something to get insured.

Josh

EDIT : Just read your post gibbo above and agree very much so! The porsche down here in cornwall on back lanes, fords and all types of obstacles was very good and hardly ever needs servicing! Shame there was a recall on the 997 about the exhaust not having enough welds. Thats the only problem we had.
 
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You said you couldn't use a Ferrari or a Lamborghini in the wet or the snow. I disagree.

Re: the roads point, obviously a Murciélago will struggle on some of our B-roads due to its size, but it's in a completely different price bracket to the 997 so we can ignore that. You'd have to be pushing far too hard to ground a 430 or a Gallardo on anything but a sudden incline or a speed bump (although I have seen it happen on an airfield, under extremely hard braking).

The OEM sat-nav in the 430 has a penchant for single track B-roads, barely wide enough for the car and, other than covering the side/rear in mud in inclement conditions, it tends to cope alright. It has more ground clearance than my Elise anyway and people tend to do anything to get out of the way, for fear of hitting a ~£140k car.

Be honest though, would you drive any car quickly, down a single track road with a poor surface, in bad conditions? Let alone one which is worth four times the average wage.
 
Nozzer said:
You said you couldn't use a Ferrari or a Lamborghini in the wet or the snow. I disagree.

Re: the roads point, obviously a Murciélago will struggle on some of our B-roads due to its size, but it's in a completely different price bracket to the 997 so we can ignore that. You'd have to be pushing far too hard to ground a 430 or a Gallardo on anything but a sudden incline or a speed bump (although I have seen it happen on an airfield, under extremely hard braking).

The OEM sat-nav in the 430 has a penchant for single track B-roads, barely wide enough for the car and, other than covering the side/rear in mud in inclement conditions, it tends to cope alright. It has more ground clearance than my Elise anyway and people tend to do anything to get out of the way, for fear of hitting a ~£140k car.

Be honest though, would you drive any car quickly, down a single track road with a poor surface, in bad conditions? Let alone one which is worth four times the average wage.
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Yeah a Lambo in the wet you can use, still would not wanna chance driving a Ferrari to harsh in the wet though, definetely not upto the Porsche for that.

Are our UK roads not full of inclines and speed bumps though. ;) A real nightmare for a 150k very lower super car. :)

Maybe I would not drive a car fast down a single track road in poor conditions but some people may, there is some crazy people on the roads, though not too many own Ferrari's and Lambos or do they. :)
 
The e-diff on the current Ferrari line makes wet driving a doddle. Yes, it's artificial and takes control away from the driver, but the car is perfectly usable.

As I say, my Elise has less ground clearance than a 430 or a Gallardo and I've only ever grounded it on steep driveways because I've been careless.

Italian sports cars are a lot more friendly than the myths perpertuate. Audi's involvement with Lamborghini saw to that. Obviously not as usable as a 911 but not as bad as the naysayers would have us believe.
 
I agree with what you are saying gibbo but you cant really compare a porsche to a ferrari or lambo in terms or real world usage. Ferrari and lambo are proper exotica cars where as every man and his dog own an porsche and that is for the simple fact that they can be used as every day cars. When you buy a ferrari or lambo you dont really buy it to use as an every day car not only for the fact that it costs a small fortune to run and maintain but they are more of a weekend/trackday kind of car. Yes the new 911 turbo is ridculousy quick but as mentioned in an earlier post their will be one on every street corner in a years time. To sum up really i would say that you cant really compare these cars as their in different markets.
 
Aspecto said:
I agree with what you are saying gibbo but you cant really compare a porsche to a ferrari or lambo in terms or real world usage. Ferrari and lambo are proper exotica cars where as every man and his dog own an porsche and that is for the simple fact that they can be used as every day cars. When you buy a ferrari or lambo you dont really buy it to use as an every day car not only for the fact that it costs a small fortune to run and maintain but they are more of a weekend/trackday kind of car. Yes the new 911 turbo is ridculousy quick but as mentioned in an earlier post their will be one on every street corner in a years time. To sum up really i would say that you cant really compare these cars as their in different markets.
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Most people looking to spend 6 figures on a sports car will be comparing them, as will the manufacturers when they market them. Ferrari always positions the baby Ferrari (355, 360, 430) as a true competitor to the 911 and Lambo is doing the same with the Gallardo. Add the Aston AMV8 or DB9 to the mix and you have the key players in that sector of the market. People may have an 'image' formed from what they have read, seen or understood to be the strengths of each car, but buyers at this end of the market often view them as simply options for them to consider.

Many owners at this end of the sector also swap their cars more often, and many long term sports car owners will have had many or all of the above at sometime, usually going between the marks more than once. I know people who have had Fezza's, Lambo's and 911's, and have constantly moved between them over and over. At this end of the market you tend to find 'owners' have different values to most of us and are not as driven by the common perceptions people have of the cars (though not always!).
 
I was passing Porsche Hatfield earlier and stopped in to have a good poke about their demonstrator. It's comfy (about the same as a 430), all the toys are fancy. The full screen satnav is nice when compared to Ferrari's offering. Of course the new Gallardo has a set up similar to the 997 now. The dash & instruments are largely the same as the 996 (couple of small changes). Decent boot space but not noticeably larger than the Ferrari.

Obviously I didn't drive it, so we'll wait and see what Spie thought of the mechanics.
 
Spie said:
I can't quite believe how quick this thing is, and the Tiptronic is actually faster than the manual.

How about this.

Top speed - 193mph
0-60mph - 3.7 secs
0.99mph - 7.8 secs

That's not just fast - that's mental.

I think I want one.

Anyone wanna buy an M5?
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both are great cars which do what they do brilliantly.... :cool:

cheers :)
 
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JonRohan said:
If I was loaded I would so do that. The snobbery of some car sales people is astounding.
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Mercedes were suprisngly ok when we told them we wanted to upgrade the Vectra to something a little bigger and faster.
 
gurdas said:
Mercedes were suprisngly ok when we told them we wanted to upgrade the Vectra to something a little bigger and faster.
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Any dealership worthy of one's business will be. When speaking to a salesman at Romans International (Google it, if you don't know who they are) he told me that they make sure they never judge by apperances after some big sales from seemingly scruffy punters.
 
i read earlier about a ruf porsche well theres a 911 turbo thats been modded by a similar company to ruf called 9ff. I dont know if they do it on the 997 yet but on the 996 they made it 240 mph, and 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. :)
 
Nozzer said:
Any dealership worthy of one's business will be. When speaking to a salesman at Romans International (Google it, if you don't know who they are) he told me that they make sure they never judge by apperances after some big sales from seemingly scruffy punters.
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Indeed, it's really not about how you dress. Romans have the absolute perfect phantom in, with piano black:drool:
 
To quote our tour guide at RR, "the piano black is rather nice, however it only seems to be popular with those rap artists from New York". ;)
 
Nozzer said:
To quote our tour guide at RR, "the piano black is rather nice, however it only seems to be popular with those rap artists from New York". ;)
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Well there you go, further proof that rap artists have the best taste:D
 
OK just got back from the test drive.

Overiding impression - WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH!!!!! IT'S FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSST :D

Pros
It's fast
It's got tons of torque
Seamlesss, massive acceleration
It's much roomier than the 996
Roadholding in Sport Mode is awesome
It looks gorgeous, much better in real life
It's fast

Cons
Suspension too soft when not in Sport Mode
Nav DVD player intudes into boot

Conclusion
I'm having one - delivery September 2007.

Did I say it was fast? :D
 
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