Reduced sensation of speed? Does that not sound seriously dangerous to you or more liable to lead to those dawdling morons I've been mentioning?
No. Why should it? One of the reasons people buy saloons is for the same reason - the comfort and refinement they offer gives less sensation of speed and a more relaxing drive. Are they more liable to be dawdling as a result, or is this just another snide attack on "SUV morons"?
Having a reduced
sensation of speed does not automatically equal having a reduced
awareness of speed. And anyway, if your perception of speed is slower, doesn't that mean you'd be more likely to increase your speed as a result?
Also not clear how it affords better visibility of the road ahead...I generally find I've got better visibility in the Porsche than the Ford for example. Particularly side and rear vision. The worst visibility I've ever encountered in a vehicle was the Juke. It's atrocious.
For someone who's been willing to cite simple physics earlier int he thread, it's a bit odd that you seemingly cant work out that raising your eye line allows you to see further, and makes it more likely to see over other vehicles, or obstructions.
But, like I said, I don't really notice this as a practical advantage personally either...I'm just mentioning it because others have and you seemed to want more reasons directly attributed to seat height.
Ease of getting in or out has bugger all to do with the height of the seats
Really? Bugger all? Absolutely nothing to do with the seat height whatsoever?
Go and sit on the floor. Then try and get up.
Now go and sit on a chair where the seat is level with your arse. Then try and get up.
Which is easier? Knowing you though, you'll probably claim "floor".
it's about the height of the floor of the vehicle and any door lips.
Good thing I didn't try and claim that that seat height was the
only factor then, isn't it?
Besides which, how is the ability to get into and out of a car more easily not directly attributable, either in part or in full, to the height of the seats?
I'm aware that there are many things which affect how easy it is to get in and out of a vehicle, but if you're going to claim, with a straight face, that seat height isn't a big factor, then I think you're lying just to be argumentative.
Out of curiosity have you ever tried getting a disabled adult in to an SUV? I have (Qashqai). It's very difficult for every single one of my grandparents to get their legs up in to the higher vehicle. It's far easier with an MPV. Some MPVs even come with sliding doors which I'm yet to see on an SUV so if you want ease of access there's your answer.
Nope. I have tried getting a disabled adult into and out of a normal hatchback thought (MK1 Focus), and even though it wasn't a particularly low car, it was difficult and painful and a car with a higher seat...like an SUV...would have been infinitely better for her. And I don't dispute that an MPV might have also provided that. But what you're failing to grasp is that just because an MPV can manage some aspects better, that it doesn't render an SUV completely redundant.
And whilst I'm sure an MPV might be a better choice for someone with a disability, I didn't say "disability", I said "easier for ingress/egress for those with mobility issues". My parents aren't disabled, but they are getting on. Mum's knees mean she found it difficult getting in and out of "normal" height cars, even mundane things like hatchbacks, and dad just prefers the seat height because it's easier to sit down
onto a seat, rather than
into one. (see above obvious example). I'm sure they could have found an MPV with a similar seat height but guess what....they found a Honda CR-V and that suited them, and the seat height was just one aspect that attracted them - again, you seem unable to grasp the facet that just because an MPV might be better in some areas, that we don't buy car's on the strength of just one aspect.
Christ, I'm relatively young and fit and even I find it easier and more comfortable to get in and out of a car with a high seat - easier than clambering into my own car, which isn't even particularly hardcore.
As for ease of loading cargo it's easier to load something lower down than having to lift it higher. Again MPVs tend to be awesome there as often the entire back opens up. Great for just sliding them in from an Ikea trolley for example.
Disagree. The seats and boot floor are just below waist height, so if I'm carry something heavy with my back straight, it's about the perfect height for loading stuff into and out of without extra strain, which we do fairly often. And having made several runs to the tip with bulky, heavy loads, it's been noticeably easier to unload, rather than having to bend down to pick stuff out of the boot. And on a few occasions, when we've had the seats down to carry some very large items, it's been so much easier to be able to just lean into the back doors to help lift the item out through the boot hatch.
Do you honestly believe a single Ford Kuga has seen 'light offroad use'? Or a CR-V for that matter?
Do you honestly believe
none of them have?
Whether or not the majority of people will actually use them for that sort of use, they are clearly more capable of it, so how does it invalidate me citing it as an advantage? My parents own a Honda CR-V, and whilst they don't take it off road on any sort of regular basis, it has done it a few times - so there's one. I own a Kia Sorento and it's regularly seeing light off road use. So the point stands, their capability to do so is valid.
Regardless though, are you also of the opinion, that someone must take advantage of ALL of the advantages that I've listed that an SUV has to offer, before they can be attracted by ANY of them? You're evidently not stupid (or at least I hope not, given your propensity to question the intelligence of others), so that's rhetorical for now.
Again comfortable drive is an odd one. I had the misfortune of having a Mokka as a rental car. It's crap. Utter utter crap. Horrendous handling, rubbish damping. Give me an Astra over that any day. Much better suspension. Then you get vehicles such as the SQ3 or X5M which have 'sports' suspension. A vehicle which you're arguing is all about comfort then purposefully having that comfort removed.
I've made a point that in general, SUVs are more comfortable, due to physical aspects which make that inevitable. I didn't say that they are
all automatically more comfortable, and citing a rubbish car, and two SUVs which have intentionally been made "sportier" (which, lets be honest, usually just means stiffer) is hardly a strong counter point.
Our Kia is comfortable - it's got long suspension travel, chunky tyres and a nice seating position, all of which make it comfortable - it' cruises nicely, it soaks up road imperfections nicely, it's easy and relaxing to drive. Same for the parent's CR-V. They are comfortable due to their physical characteristics. Handling? No, of course they don't handle as well as a smaller equivalent, but it hardly matters to us in a comfortable workhorse, and they certainly don't handle so bad as to make them noticeably worse for any normal, day to day driving. But I never claimed they did. And before you start, yes, I'm aware that chunky tyres and nice seating position aren't exclusive to an SUV.
I'm done for now. I've given you what you want and gone to lengths to explain some of the general advantages that SUVs can offer, and explained how these are all valid reasons for why someone might select them, and now we're at the point where you're just offering specific examples which buck the trend as if that suddenly destroys the argument for owning
any of them. Let's be honest, we could go on all night like that, but you're just succinctly proving the point that myself and others have been making - that you seem utterly incapable of comprehending that other people might have valid tastes and opinions which go into their car selection, based purely on your dislike of the segment. If that's the case, then let me know, because I haven't got the patience to go on arguing with someone who's often quick to condescend others and question their intelligence, yet is seemingly so lacking in self awareness that they can're recognise their own arrogance and stubbornness. I'd suggest taking note of Fox's post:
One day you'll read back some of your posts and cringe.
Trust me, I'm speaking from experience
Good night.
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They are just awful and only sell because they are the current fashion trend.
