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Ejizz said:
Bottom line is they shouldn't have included overclocked chips, let alone highly overclocked chips, and even if they did they should have taken the average overclocked card, and also overclocked the 6870/50's as well to show some form of realistic comparison.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/3988/the-use-of-evgas-geforce-gtx-460-***-in-last-nights-review

I don't see the problem as said above its factory overclocked and available to buy and they also included a stock 460 for comparison. And in the link above they explain their position on the matter.
 
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Ejizz said:
Also shows the 6870 seriously beating the 470!
I thought Fermi was meant to be good at DX11? or is that just synthetic benchmarks and a gimped game (civilisation)...
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LOL!

Just read the page he linked to...

We chose not to benchmark DX 11 at this time because the number of DX11 effects is not worth the performance hit.
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Teifiterror said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3988/the-use-of-evgas-geforce-gtx-460-***-in-last-nights-review

I don't see the problem as said above its factory overclocked and available to buy and they also included a stock 460 for comparison. And in the link above they explain their position on the matter.
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Link doesn't work.

At the end of the day it's a slippery slope.
Nvidia wanted that card in the review for advertising reasons and to win mindshare.
What if AMD released a batch of 1000 extremely overclocked cards and insisted the reviewer use these cards as well when reviewing competing Nvidia Hardware, after all you can buy that card off the shelf right?
 
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All these bloody cards coming out before christmas, i wish i had waited now before gettin my 5870!!! Argh!
 
Ejizz said:
Link doesn't work.

At the end of the day it's a slippery slope.
Nvidia wanted that card in the review for advertising reasons and to win mindshare.
What if AMD released a batch of 1000 extremely overclocked cards and insisted the reviewer use these cards as well when reviewing competing Nvidia Hardware, after all you can buy that card off the shelf right?
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Perhaps they should do another X800XT-PE (press edition). Fact is, the card is available to buy, you don't have to buy a card and hope it clocks, it is a real physical product, offering the quoted speed and performance.

To be honest NV should have rebranded these super overclocked parts as something other than a 460 to stop this particular argument from ever occurring. Binning the current 465 part and pushing out 800Mhz+ gf104 chips as the new 465 would have made more sense.
 
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Ejizz said:
:rolleyes:

Sorry but haven't got time to read the small text in every chart posted, unlike your self obviously...
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Roll eyes all you want. But if you cannot even be bothered to check the basic facts before using them to rubbish somebody's point of view then I do not see why anybody should bother to read your own posts.

You got caught out and made yourself look foolish. It happens to everyone, suck it up and accept you made a mistake with a modicum of grace.
 
layte said:
Perhaps they should do another X800XT-PE (press edition). Fact is, the card is available to buy, you don't have to buy a card and hope it clocks, it is a real physical product, offering the quoted speed and performance.

To be honest NV should have rebranded these super overclocked parts as something other than a 460 to stop this particular argument from ever occurring. Binning the current 465 part and pushing out 800Mhz+ gf104 chips as the new 465 would have made more sense.
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Well obviously there is reasons why they couldn't, yields maybe?
How many cards could they release at 850mhz to warrant a new skew, and still have good availability?

I think they would have to name it GTX467 or something as 465's already been used up, and that would get VERY confusing.

Good dodge on my other (more important) points though...
 
Ejizz said:
Good dodge on my other (more important) points though...
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You cannot be bothered to do simple fact checking, so why should I be bothered to put effort into responding to what you say?

Your 'important' point was a hypothetical if, what 'if' AMD did this, well nobody can answer that until it happens. What if Nvidia offer a free Unicorn with each card? What if Drunkenmaster makes a post without anti NV bile?, what if Ejizz fact checks before posting?

None of these we can answer until they happen.
 
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layte said:
You cannot be bothered to do simple fact checking,
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Lol, Tom's chart still stands.

layte said:
so why should I be bothered to put effort into responding to what you say?
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But you can be bothered to go to the effort in responding to my other points in my post?

In translation then, basically you avoided those points because your argument was weak, and you don't like to look foolish, seems someone else needs to learn how to suck it up and acknowledge when the other person has a valid point.
 
layte said:
Your 'important' point was a hypothetical if, what 'if' AMD did this, well nobody can answer that until it happens. What if Nvidia offer a free Unicorn with each card? What if Drunkenmaster makes a post without anti NV bile?, what if Ejizz fact checks before posting?

None of these we can answer until they happen.
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The FACT is that allowing highly overclocked cards in reviews set's precedence for future conduct, and it's not IF's and But's because Nvidia is doing it now, which means AMD will have to sink to Nvidia's level to maintain a level playing field, just like what happened with name change inflation/re branding.
 
Ejizz said:
Lol, Tom's chart still stands.



But you can be bothered to go to the effort in responding to my other points in my post?

In translation then, basically you avoided those points because your argument was weak, and you don't like to look foolish, seems someone else needs to learn how to suck it up and acknowledge when the other person has a valid point.
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I don't want to look foolish? erm ok then chuckles whatever you say. I'm not the one who made a triumphant post stating how NV cards were only good at artificial DX11 benchmarks only to be shown up as using a DX9 test as the basis of my post.

Anyway, do people still rate Tom's? I've sure I have seen many a rumbling that the tests were not as thorough as they should be. Never seen many complaints about the results from AT.

So one one hand we have numbers from Tom's Hardware, and on the other those from Anandtech. Both showing a different conclusion, I guess people will have to make their own mind up as to which to take as gospel.
 
Ejizz said:
The FACT is that allowing highly overclocked cards in reviews set's precedence for future conduct, and it's not IF's and But's because Nvidia is doing it now, which means AMD will have to sink to Nvidia's level to maintain a level playing field, just like what happened with name change inflation/re branding.
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Sink to their level?

If by that you mean allowing OEM's to produce highly overclocked cards with manufacturer warranty then I for one welcome that.

(By highly overclocked that does mean more than 13Mhz..)
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Regarding anandtechs inclusion of a factory overclocked 460, I see no problem with that, card is available to retail with them clocks so it's all good.
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I agree it was worth including. Not so sure I agree with the off the shelf comment though, someone checked the main retailers in the US and the cards was OOS everywhere apart from one store who were charging more than a 470.

TBH Toms hardware although much hated benched with an average overclocked 460.

TBH i find all the fanboi stuff highly amusing. I vote with my wallet
atm thats AMD(Ati) as outside fanboi world thats the smart money. I really really hope NV improve their offering to tempt me back to team green for my next card since I would like to make a change back but atm things look better for the red team. Things change so so quickly though who knows. If you ignore efficiency the world is very very close which is not a surprise, neither company can ignore the big buisnesses who will switch brands if pricing is out of line.

I personally ignore all benchmarks at res other than 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 since I game at 1920x1200. Cards can vary quite a lot across various ranges so why care if they are uber at 1024, they may suck donkeys at 1920 because they are memory limited, or scale a lot better than other cards.

I care about performance / watt so thats why for me my money is red, if NV sort that out then I will happily switch to green, but at the moment their efficiency is just too poor. Thats the sort of thing they should be able to fix with some clever switching etc so its not out of bounds to see it being included within 5xx range.
 
Ejizz said:
Link doesn't work.

At the end of the day it's a slippery slope.
Nvidia wanted that card in the review for advertising reasons and to win mindshare.
What if AMD released a batch of 1000 extremely overclocked cards and insisted the reviewer use these cards as well when reviewing competing Nvidia Hardware, after all you can buy that card off the shelf right?
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the *** is f-t-w blocked by this site! grrr

anyway of linking without using the link?
 
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