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New Haswell/Broadwell may not work in current motherboards....

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by covenantuk, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. covenantuk

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  2. Martini1991

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    Was waiting for something like this to appear.
    Does anyone remember the Ivybridge won't work in current boards?
    Haswell needs a new PSU?

    Will this be the one time some scare mongering is actually accurate :p?

    Haswell refresh is due in 2014, I'd be surprised if it didn't work in pretty much every board.
    But, having said that, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Broadwell land on a different socket/Need some sort of rejig with boards, that's not to say that it'll play out that way.
     
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  3. shadow_boxer

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    Will wait for a more reliable source thanks.
     
  4. Orangey

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  5. Marine-RX179

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    If Intel did what AMD did just tweaked and modified the same architecture over half a decade, they could have made same socket to last longer, but it would be at the cost losing relatively huge amount of performance progression.

    But yes I do agree that the performance progress for Intel's "core series" over this last 4 gens has be quite pathetic, particularly with Haswell they could have make something with a relatively big increase over the IvyBridge, but instead, they chose to focus their effort targeting the mobile market instead, and left desktop users on the spot of having a not much faster CPU with lower power consumption and better integrated graphic- which means very little to them.
     
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  6. joeyjojo

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    999 out of 1000 "desktop users" don't actually need faster CPUs though. Gamers with multiple GPUs do (that's not exactly a huge market), as do people doing serious computation, but they use clusters or GPUs. The vast majority of desktops, which have been dwindling in number for a long time, get by just fine on 5+ year old CPUs.

    The audience who want faster CPUs just for the sake of it (this forum) are a tiny, tiny, minority, compared to the tens of millions of people who want small/mobile computing. So can't blame them really.

    Making a new socket every year is excessive though.
     
  7. Martini1991

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    They don't make a new socket every year though.
    Socket 1155 was over 2 years old before it got replaced.
    Ironically AMD has done that with their more consumer chips their APU's, FM1/FM2/FM2+ with no forwards compatibility.
     
  8. malachi

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    Bring back LGA 775!!!
     
  9. OLDPHART

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    Well Intel is not going to miss on making more $$$$$$$$$, by making Broadwell backwards compatible are they.
     
  10. ScoTTyBEEE

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    I always do a mb and cpu at the same time, as do most people I expect.
     
  11. Marine-RX179

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    Since when PC gamers are NOT desktop users? :confused:

    "Desktop users" pretty much cover everyone using a PC.
     
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  12. Ephraim

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    As I'm unlikely to upgrade again for another 3 or 4 years, I'm not that bothered about this. i'll want a new mobo around next upgrade time anyway, I'd imagine (DDR4 and god knows what other improvements). I also share some skepticism about the source of this "news".

    That said, if it is true, then it's a bit of a poor show. Constant socket refreshes feel a bit like a lack of forward planning, or a desire to force upgraders onto a new platform.
     
  13. Unicorn

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    Lol eteknik are after readers again are they..

    find a credible source and ill believe it :)
     
  14. Razor Time

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    This article doesn't ring true and I would be surprised if broadwell didn't work in the current z87 boards.
     
  15. WingZero30

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    Would Broadwell be even released on desktop? Last I read it was saying that Broadwell would be BGA/Ultra mobile socket cpu only.

    Haswell Refresh is still meant to be on the current 22nm process.
     
  16. nightmare99

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    LGA2011-3 is DDR4 though so it was never going to be compatible with LGA2011.
     
  17. Rofflay

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    where did you read that wingzero? I heard that it would be haswell refresh aka broadwell but at a later date and the lga sockets would be first for mobiles etc.To be honest i think it may be scaremongering for those on the fence for 4930k or 4770k but then again it is intel and they have no competition!"
     
  18. Boomstick777

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    Yeah I though the Haswell refresh '5770K' would be a drop in 22nm CPU, maybe with higher clocks and more cache, or better IGPU? Would act as a stop gap until 14nm is ready?

    I think Intel don't want to put 14nm chips against Haswell -E tbh, could cannibalize that market..
     


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