New PC for Modded Skyrim (Wildlander), Single player RPG, VR and MS Flight Sim

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 07:12

Hi all

After weeks of analysis paralysis I think I am there with my build for the above uses. Any obvious flaws? My only thought was the SSD's. The 1TB is for the O/S - could I get away with 500GB here? The 2TB is for game storage and I thing a 2400 mb/s speed is ample according to JayzTwoCents?

My basket at OcUK:

1 x MSI Pro B660M-A WIFI DDR4 - Intel B660 DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-36L-MS) = £149.99
1 x Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut High Performance Thermal Paste - 1 Gramm (SKU: TH-020-TG) = £5.99
1 x Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.70GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-69Y-IN) = £269.98
1 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 6800 XT Gaming OC 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1CY-GI) = £659.99
1 x AMD RAISE THE GAME - RX 6000 Series Gaming Bundle (SKU: XX-038-AM) = £0.00
1 x Lian Li LANCOOL 215 Mid-Tower aRGB Tempered Glass White (SKU: CA-7AQ-LL) = £84.95
1 x Team Group Vulcan Z T-Force 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (SKU: MY-0AJ-TG) = £95.99
1 x WD Blue SN570 1TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3B0C) (SKU: HD-589-WD) = £86.99
1 x Crucial P2 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 NVMe Solid State Drive (SKU: HD-071-CR) = £169.99
1 x be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-01K-BQ) = £34.99

Total: £1,572.06 (includes delivery: £13.20)

mickyflinn · 27 Jun 2022 at 12:05

The only glaring error is you have no power supply in your build, a 500gb m2 should be enough for windows and programmes. You could just get a 2tb m2 drive prefablly pcie4 and patrician it to 500gb and 1.5tb for games.

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 12:41

Doh! Good spot! Thanks. Would add a 750rmx from Corsair I think

mickyflinn · 27 Jun 2022 at 12:47

Mr Wurley said:
Doh! Good spot! Thanks. Would add a 750rmx from Corsair I think

You can get white versions of the corsair rm and rmx that come with white cables.

Journey · 27 Jun 2022 at 12:59

I'd probably go 12400F for the benefit the K series and 4-ecores will give on a B660 for £100 extra seems pointless almost, went with a single very fast PCI-E 4.0 M.2 SSD, just set the partition sizes you want. I went for a totally dark grey/black build here only because, no other reason.

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Case: KOLINK Citadel Mesh MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: NZXT C (2020) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: ~£780

I be careful splashing £660 on a RX 6800XT in the current GPU climate, you might be better served getting something lower end ~£300 like a 3060 12GB for a few months until we see where the next gen cards are at. I'm putting my neck on the line here and saying you'll end up with a faster system with a new 7700 XT 12/16GB, and it will have cost you the same once you sell off the stand in GPU, and if you care it might have better RT capabilities.

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 13:11

Thanks - hadn't considered the 12400 so will give it a look. Something about the 6800 xt just appeals to me. Totally accept what you say about current market though

KompuKare · 27 Jun 2022 at 13:55

Mr Wurley said:
Thanks - hadn't considered the 12400 so will give it a look. Something about the 6800 xt just appeals to me. Totally accept what you say about current market though

Well, for the everything-pilled-in Wabbajack modlists (like Aldrnari with it's near 2,000 mods) having 16GB VRAM is very appealing.

Wildlander is a lot more balanced and should be fine with just 8GB.

But, yes: heavily modded games is a major reason to have lots of VRAM.

JollyJamma · 27 Jun 2022 at 14:11

Has anyone demonstrated the use of all 16gigs of VRAM yet?

Would be interested in what it’s used for and how the card performs.

KompuKare · 27 Jun 2022 at 14:37

JollyJamma said:
Has anyone demonstrated the use of all 16gigs of VRAM yet?

Would be interested in what it’s used for and how the card performs.

For Skyrim mods?
Well, I'm stuck on 8GB myself, but the readme's for the various Wabbajack modlists do go on about what is recommended:

http://www.wabbajack.org/modlist/wj-featured/aldrnari

Full PC Part Picker setup is here. I would recommend atleast 8GB+ of VRAM for 1080p, and for 1440p you will need a minimum of 10GB of VRAM, although more is highly recommended.

So that's where the theory comes from (but note that the Aldrnari author only has 11GB 1080 Ti!).

However as the FO4 benchmarking thread shows, VRAM isn't the only Skyrim bottleneck.

In the various "Is X enought VRAM for card Y", people do point out that 16GB is overkill. That may be true, but user-modded games do tend to use textures like crazy. Obviously a studio would balance a game between models, textures, effects, etc. Modders don't have the original models so they mostly don't have a choice but to go texture crazy.

Haz123 · 27 Jun 2022 at 15:20

This looks interesting and will download Skyrim and give it a go. What I really appreciate is how the author gives detailed installation instructions, the learning curve for Skyrim and mods is brutal so glad to have an easy mode for once.

I will let you know how it runs on a 6800 non xt.

Haz123 · 27 Jun 2022 at 16:37

Wildlander is currently under maintenance and unable to be downloaded through wabbajack. I guess there is a workaround but I will try a different set of mods and have some fun.

Not sure if anyone knows but at moment I have a complete clean instal of Skyrim, do I need to instal SKSE before I run Wabbajack or is this now included with the mods as standard?

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 16:55

Haz123 said:
Wildlander is currently under maintenance and unable to be downloaded through wabbajack. I guess there is a workaround but I will try a different set of mods and have some fun.

Not sure if anyone knows but at moment I have a complete clean instal of Skyrim, do I need to instal SKSE before I run Wabbajack or is this now included with the mods as standard?

Wabbajack installs everything. FOllow the instructions and you are golden. Wildlander is incredible. And brutal!

KompuKare · 27 Jun 2022 at 18:43

Mr Wurley said:
Wabbajack installs everything. FOllow the instructions and you are golden. Wildlander is incredible. And brutal!

What might not be obvious to Haz123 is that with Wildlander you don't have to use Wabbajack to download the modlist.
Wildlander has it's own installer (which eventually calls Wabbajack), so even if Wabbajack is being updated again (which is why some modlists are usually down) it shouldn't matter.

Wildlander is only the Wabbajack modlist to have a launcher and which has settings so you can change quality. And easily turn off EBN if you don't like the preset rather than having to hunt for ages trying to turn off EBN effects like Depth of Field, excess reflections from anything etc., weird lighting etc.

With Aldrnari I still haven't found an EBN I actually like.

And yes, since it basically is Requim with survival mos it is tough. Best to spend a good while just surviving around Riverwood while you get your bearings and skill up a bit.

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 18:49

Yes, I'd forgotten that. It was the last verstion of Ult Sky that used Wabba primarily. Can't wait to get my new rig built to play it. Got the finance sorted today. 0% for two years on purchases. Lovely jubbly.

Haz123 · 27 Jun 2022 at 18:57

Thanks for info KompuKare, I am installing a less safe for work mod at moment so will give this a go and maybe have a go with Wildlander at a later date. Not really played Skyrim for a few years so will be like a new game.

I really should get a Nexus account to make the installation easier.

Mr Wurley · 27 Jun 2022 at 21:12

Nexus account is a no brainer - even if just for a month

Mr Wurley · 29 Jun 2022 at 07:07

Started buying my bits. Case arrives today (LianLi Mesh II Snow Edition) - just noticed the GPU I wanted has gone up in price

Gotta be quick damn it!

Craig_d1 · 29 Jun 2022 at 08:49

Mr Wurley said:
Started buying my bits. Case arrives today (LianLi Mesh II Snow Edition) - just noticed the GPU I wanted has gone up in price Gotta be quick damn it!

which one?

Mr Wurley · 29 Jun 2022 at 09:35

Gigabyte 6800xt - gone up £30. The MSI 6700xt has also gone up. Hey Ho - is what it is. Pondering the Inno3D 3080 chill now. More expensive but the gap closer with the increase in 6800 xt. Finance should arrive in plastic form today or tomorrow so I’m closing in but can order other bits in the meantime

Craig_d1 · 29 Jun 2022 at 10:11

Mr Wurley said:
Gigabyte 6800xt - gone up £30. The MSI 6700xt has also gone up. Hey Ho - is what it is. Pondering the Inno3D 3080 chill now. More expensive but the gap closer with the increase in 6800 xt. Finance should arrive in plastic form today or tomorrow so I’m closing in but can order other bits in the meantime

nice. If you change and go for the 3080, I'd consider the 3080 12gb model. It's not just 2gb extra, it's more a 3080ti with a few less shaders. the extra 2gb vram will also help texture mapping in future at 4k. Reading an article last night saying nvidia had asked manufacturers to stop production of them over 3080 10gb and 3080ti's...3080 10gb still a great card(i have one)

I noticed in your build the 12600kf for £269.98. OCuk do the 12600k(so integrated gpu not locked out) in oem form for £259.99(on order) rather than £289.99 for retail, but you can still buy it now...so cheaper

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Inno3D GeForce RTX 3080 iChill X4 LHR 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-08F-IN) = £799.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 3080 Trinity LHR 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-135-ZT) = £799.99

Total: £1,599.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)

Nvidia rumored to have halted production of the RTX 3080 12GB

Clearing the shelves before the launch of next gen cards.

www.pcgamer.com

review of the SN570 you have in build too

WD Blue SN570 1TB NVMe SSD Review

We test the WD Blue SN570 1TB NVMe SSD to see how it performs, and the performance-focused results surprised us

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