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The KS isn't worth the premium and will get outclassed by RPL i5 in a few months and also the 3080ti while being a decent card is expensive and will be beaten by a card half the price in a few months.

My advice would be to get a cheap 3060ti / 12600k and replace with a 13700k + 4070/80 in the future, you would end up with a stronger system for a similar amount of money that your planning to spend on the KS/3080ti.


This is the best path to take. 3060ti+12600 with all the other parts comes to under £1500 and then save thousands that you can spend on a new system in a few months or if you are happy with the performance skip the next gen entirely.

You just do not need a top end gpu for 1080p gaming.
 
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The KS isn't worth the premium and will get outclassed by RPL i5 in a few months and also the 3080ti while being a decent card is expensive and will be beaten by a card half the price in a few months.

My advice would be to get a cheap 3060ti / 12600k and replace with a 13700k + 4070/80 in the future, you would end up with a stronger system for a similar amount of money that your planning to spend on the KS/3080ti.
Everything that comes out from todays date will outclass most things you buy at the time it’s one of those things lol
 
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I thought about AM4 but it uses DDR4 so thought might as well go with the newer tech at the time with the intel 12900ks although pricey should be solid with a 3080ti on games for 4/5 years thats why I’m more swayed to it to be honest
At end of day I agree with above. 1080P gaming doesn't require top end components, but you know that and is your choice.

Using same argument though you're saying you want the best PC you can get keeping it for as long as possible as you don't upgrade and don't want to wait for new gen, and just replace in 5yrs with a new PC. Current DDR5 makes no difference for gaming, and the 5800x3d and 6950xt is current champ for 1080p gaming, also at 1440p though will have to go back and check......the 12900ks was launched as a countermeasure to the 5800x3d, though being £730ish compared to 5800x3d's £410 launch price, it really was a no brainer for gamers

Below is the 6950xt review....goto 9mins45 and you can see the av fps over 11 games they tested...at 1080p 6950xt beats the 3090ti, is on a par for 1440p and comes 2nd to the 3090ti at 4k

Below is the 5800X3d though against the 12900k, which it beats. Also got to look at the fact the 12900 setup was using DDR5 6400C32 (price been reduced to £399 if you search from £555 launch price (wow)) which is faster than the 5600C36 that you're looking at

And here's the 12900ks review. basically no difference to the 12900 in gaming

If you're still set 12th gen and ddr5 route, I'd consider the Asus Gaming F though..more than enough power for your need, and can get it for £315 with 1 stick 16gb of ddr5 ram thrown it. that'll keep you gaming while the better ram gets released and you can just swap that over in a couple mins
 
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Just for fun, thought I'd put them both below as was actually curious on actual cost, so AMD 1st below. I put the asus gaming e mobo in as is a good board and has the little digital display for Q codes. If you don't want wifi and not bothered by rgb at all, I'd go MSI B550 Tomahawk and save £85. I didn't know whether you meant 2tb Sammy 980 or 980 Pro. if Pro the 2TB SN850 is just as fast and cheaper. Put the Firecuda below as still gen4, almost as fast, cheaper still and best endurance.

Everything else carried from your list

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,764.88 (includes delivery: £0.00)​


Cheapest 3080ti evga I could find was £1266, most were more expensive..could be looking wrong place so put a gaming trio in for £1200

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £3,654.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

So both most expensive 1080p rigs think I'll see:cry: but does show even though AMD system £1000 cheaper, it'll still beat the intel/nvidia system in gaming, so money doesn't necessarily mean best. So there's a lot to say for getting a £1k rig now that will be able to play 1080p(you can still get a 3070fe for £469 right now which is more than capable of 1440p), save the extra £2500, when all new tech is out and reviews in, sell your 1080p gaming rig(would of thought get £500 at least from MM market) and then use the £3k to buy a next gen gaming rig which will knock the socks off anything you get now. you could even buy case/psu/cooler etc, so only thing you swap out is mobo/cpu/gpu/ram..MM will gobble that up no problem...just get up to 1k posts​
For heads up, I use 5000x case, B550 Gaming E, 5800X(standard), 32gb 3600C18 rgb pro vengeance, 360mm 150i XT cooler, 2tb SN850, 3080FE and RM1000x and I'm using a free 1080p screen I was given as blew budget on rig so saving up for prob 1440p ultrawide such as the alienware qd-oled or along those lines(happy to wait for another gen and for prices to drop)​
 
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AMD graphic cards driver errors and support a thing of the past now? not had a amd card for years but always remembered was not that good for drivers etc.

I thought the 12900ks was the fastest cpu for gaming currently across the board but the 5800x3d looks interesting
 
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AMD graphic cards driver errors and support a thing of the past now? not had a amd card for years but always remembered was not that good for drivers etc.

I thought the 12900ks was the fastest cpu for gaming currently across the board but the 5800x3d looks interesting


There are 2 schools of thought with AMD drivers. One set of people will have errors in every game, complain it is unworkable and crashes every 5 seconds.

Then there are the other group of AMD users who never have a problem and use an AMD card with no issues whatsoever, I am in this group of AMD users. I think I have so few driver issues because I hardly ever update my drivers , if the ones I am using work then I do not bother changing them.
There is also the group of Nv fans who moan about AMD drivers while they ignore the problems that NV also have. WH3 had a huge Nv issue whilst AMD cards would run just fine but of course that must have been CAs fault Nv were blameless.

I have used both sets of cards over the past 20 years and never had major issues with either brand.

Everyone above has given you every opportunity to see that the 12900KS is poor value for money. If you want to go for Intel then get a 12700K(or lower) or go for the also sensible AMD 5800x3d route but it is your cash so you can spend it how you like.
 
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Everything that comes out from todays date will outclass most things you buy at the time it’s one of those things lol

While that's true to an extent, as said earlier in the thread, the graphics cards available now are at the end of their cycle and the architectures are several years old. That means that they're likely to age a lot worse (and cost more, relative to their performance) than if you got something at the beginning of the cycle. The next-gen (both nvidia and AMD) are rumoured to be a big step forward after years of stagnation, or even a regression (relative to price/performance), partly due to the booming crypto market that has now pretty much collapsed and taken GPU prices with it. So, they're going to have do something more impressive than just release a new product, to convince everyone to buy it this time.

With CPUs, 12th gen is a new architecture and a big step forward, so I have less concern there about how it will age, but Intel have plenty of room to optimise it and are making some big claims for the next few years. CPUs have been moving on very fast, just look at the difference in the raw gaming performance between a Ryzen 5 1600, Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 5600, it is absolutely massive, which is especially relevant to a low-res/high-refresh gamer like yourself. If you'd purchased e.g. a 1800X (£400, 2017) or even a 3900X (£400, 2019), in the hope of future proofing, they're now beaten at 1080p by an i3-12100 (£100, 2022).
 
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AMD graphic cards driver errors and support a thing of the past now? not had a amd card for years but always remembered was not that good for drivers etc.

I thought the 12900ks was the fastest cpu for gaming currently across the board but the 5800x3d looks interesting
Having a 3080, hopefully someone else can answer that (thankyou Haz123) but had watched this. Also, hoping seeing as AMD supply the CPU/GPU for XSX and PS5, they'd have some practise with drivers etc

Would say if you're doing more than just gaming, and doing productivity then 12th gen better allrounder. and if you stream games, then nvidia better

below you can see diff 12900k, 12700k and 12600k have with a 3080...go to about 6mins for results...personally 12600k more than good enough...maybe 12700k if cash rich but that's it
 
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Thanks all some interesting reads on peoples opinions. I will overclock in the future and push the system to its potential I’ll give it some thought on which route I take but always been a Nvidia fan. Often had amd ryzen CPUs but had i7s in the past think the last one many years ago was a 2600k I think it was called

I get when people say wait but just because something is coming out in next 2 months or so doesn’t automatically make that purchase or hardware invalidate if that makes sense? If I went intel at least I have a ddr5 motherboard and when the time comes in say 4-5 years maybe I can just get a cpu upgrade without swapping out everything. Regarding the gpu 3080ti I would of thought id be good on most games for awhile yet. I do have a 1080p 144hz monitor so latest games should be good for a few years on that res and refresh rate
 
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one last thing. If determined to go high end :), and want nvidia card, I'd also look at the 3080 12gb version. At 1080p it's same speed as the 3080ti, and only 3% behind at 1440P. Both have 12gb vram too. you can get for £799 to £899 now whereas the 3080ti you were looking at was £1200 I think, so basically you're paying a 30% premium for 0-3% performance gain
 
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one last thing. If determined to go high end :), and want nvidia card, I'd also look at the 3080 12gb version. At 1080p it's same speed as the 3080ti, and only 3% behind at 1440P. Both have 12gb vram too. you can get for £799 to £899 now whereas the 3080ti you were looking at was £1200 I think, so basically you're paying a 30% premium for 0-3% performance gain
I give up lol to many options and suggestions hard work this
 
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While that's true to an extent, as said earlier in the thread, the graphics cards available now are at the end of their cycle and the architectures are several years old. That means that they're likely to age a lot worse (and cost more, relative to their performance) than if you got something at the beginning of the cycle. The next-gen (both nvidia and AMD) are rumoured to be a big step forward after years of stagnation, or even a regression (relative to price/performance), partly due to the booming crypto market that has now pretty much collapsed and taken GPU prices with it. So, they're going to have do something more impressive than just release a new product, to convince everyone to buy it this time.

With CPUs, 12th gen is a new architecture and a big step forward, so I have less concern there about how it will age, but Intel have plenty of room to optimise it and are making some big claims for the next few years. CPUs have been moving on very fast, just look at the difference in the raw gaming performance between a Ryzen 5 1600, Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 5600, it is absolutely massive, which is especially relevant to a low-res/high-refresh gamer like yourself. If you'd purchased e.g. a 1800X (£400, 2017) or even a 3900X (£400, 2019), in the hope of future proofing, they're now beaten at 1080p by an i3-12100 (£100, 2022).
I have read that intel are looking into a new socket early next year so looks like the z690 will be replaced very soon same as AM4 with AM5. I was thinking 3080ti would last me abit i mean you look at 1080ti its still to this day a capable card to own and its years old. I might just hold off and look into AM5 but thats at least 3-4 months away ill wait and wait and end up getting nothing as they is always something better round the corner :cry:
 
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I have read that intel are looking into a new socket early next year so looks like the z690 will be replaced very soon same as AM4 with AM5. I was thinking 3080ti would last me abit i mean you look at 1080ti its still to this day a capable card to own and its years old. I might just hold off and look into AM5 but thats at least 3-4 months away ill wait and wait and end up getting nothing as they is always something better round the corner :cry:
Intel generally replace boards after 2 year cycle, so 12th gen alderlake is socket 1700, 13th gen raptorlake will be 1700 also later this year, but will be dropping ddr4 variant boards. End of next year will be new intel socket board...intel like everyone to upgrade boards when getting new cpu's
AM4 been around a lot longer, so can drop in a modern 5000 series cpu into an a much older board, so gives longevity to upgrades etc. Hopefully AM5 will do the same, where after it's released you'll still be able to drop a 3rd/4th gen AM5 cpu in your 1st gen mobo...one reason why people love AMD and AM4 so much
 
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Intel generally replace boards after 2 year cycle, so 12th gen alderlake is socket 1700, 13th gen raptorlake will be 1700 also later this year, but will be dropping ddr4 variant boards. End of next year will be new intel socket board...intel like everyone to upgrade boards when getting new cpu's
AM4 been around a lot longer, so can drop in a modern 5000 series cpu into an a much older board, so gives longevity to upgrades etc. Hopefully AM5 will do the same, where after it's released you'll still be able to drop a 3rd/4th gen AM5 cpu in your 1st gen mobo...one reason why people love AMD and AM4 so much
AMD did well for upgrades saving people money no doubt about that
 
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Below is the 5800X3d though against the 12900k, which it beats. Also got to look at the fact the 12900 setup was using DDR5 6400C32 (price been reduced to £399 if you search from £555 launch price (wow)) which is faster than the 5600C36 that you're looking at
you could chance the 12900 to a 12400 and probably get the exact same results since the 12900 is so over kill for gaming and only like 20% of the actual cpu cores get used.

I was looking at 5800x3d and it just seems like a gimmick a hugely expensive one
 
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I was looking at 5800x3d and it just seems like a gimmick a hugely expensive one
Its certainly a one trick pony. But its one trick is "plays games faster than just about anything else", so I do think it has a place in the market. That said, I agree that most people would be better off getting something else :p
 
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you could chance the 12900 to a 12400 and probably get the exact same results since the 12900 is so over kill for gaming and only like 20% of the actual cpu cores get used.

I was looking at 5800x3d and it just seems like a gimmick a hugely expensive one
Hense why I said Intel the way to go as an all rounder and not just gaming..and I'd plum for a 12600k...you do get slightly improved fps at low res with 12700k, but from £260 to £380, not worth the cost (46% jump in price). You'll get better return getting next level up gpu..but if just gaming, the 5800x3d is king...slightly worse than standard 5800x for productivity though as lower clock speed...OP wanted best gaming rig, so giving other options, £430 for 5800x3d is a lot, but not as much as £730 for the 12900ks
 
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Hense why I said Intel the way to go as an all rounder and not just gaming..and I'd plum for a 12600k...you do get slightly improved fps at low res with 12700k, but from £260 to £380, not worth the cost (46% jump in price). You'll get better return getting next level up gpu..but if just gaming, the 5800x3d is king...slightly worse than standard 5800x for productivity though as lower clock speed...OP wanted best gaming rig, so giving other options, £430 for 5800x3d is a lot, but not as much as £730 for the 12900ks
I'm looking at building a new PC and 12600k doesn't seem worth over a 12400.

got a 12700 in my basket though for intel it seems either 12400 or 12700 is the way to go

only thing stopping me ordering is I can't find a case I really want...
 
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I'm looking at building a new PC and 12600k doesn't seem worth over a 12400.

got a 12700 in my basket though for intel it seems either 12400 or 12700 is the way to go

only thing stopping me ordering is I can't find a case I really want..
I’d wait new stuff coming out in next 3 months
 
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I have read that intel are looking into a new socket early next year so looks like the z690 will be replaced very soon same as AM4 with AM5. I was thinking 3080ti would last me abit i mean you look at 1080ti its still to this day a capable card to own and its years old. I might just hold off and look into AM5 but thats at least 3-4 months away ill wait and wait and end up getting nothing as they is always something better round the corner :cry:

The 1080 Ti has done very well, but I wouldn't bank on that kind of longevity for the future, it was a big step forward at the time and more than the 2080 Ti and 3080 Ti (relatively to each other, excluding ray-tracing).
 
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