New Saleen Mustang

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Saleen "Parnelli Jones" Mustang

Saleen modified Ford Modular V8, punched out to 302ci, 370 SAE ponies and 370lb-ft of torque (at 6000 and 4000rpm respectively). New Watts Linkage suspension setup. Tidy little bodykit and 19s (9in wide in front, 10in wide out back). Looks quite nice to me :)

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nice but not as nice as the saleen s7. drools.......

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A true supercar, the Saleen S7 is capable of over 200 miles per hour.
Zero-to-60 time is under three seconds. The S7 is designed to compete
with the fastest, quickest, best handling, most luxurious grand touring
cars in the world, while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one.

Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: BHP:750
Torque: LB-FT: 700
1/4 MILE: SECOND/MHP: [email protected]
0-60 MPH: SECOND: 2.8
0-100 MPH: SECOND: 6.0
0-100-0 MPH: SECOND: 11.2
SLALOM: MPH: 73.0
SKIDPAD: Gs: 1.10
VALUE: $555,000
 
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I love the S7. There's just something so American about them saying "We want to make a supercar. Let's make it mid-engined like all those European ones, and curvy. Give it a load of vents. Right, perfect. Now let's stuff a 427ci V8 in the back."

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while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one

Hahahahaha, that just makes me think of fast cars that don't handle very well! not too sure id want it to be distinctively American!

NS
 
NightShadow said:
Hahahahaha, that just makes me think of fast cars that don't handle very well! not too sure id want it to be distinctively American!

NS
i was just about to post exactly the same thing.
exactly what is a "distinctly american driving experience"?
unreliable and overweight with suspension that has either the characteristics of wine gums or concrete?
oooo where do i sign? NOT.
 
AcidHell2 said:
http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_performance.htm
as you can see it out performs an enzo by a good fraction. But then thats there values but still can't see it handling bad.
to be fair i'm being harsh here and the reputation US cars like these have isn't anywhere near as deserved as it used to be.
but conversly you need to remember they ARE aimed at the US buyer and what the US buyer wants from a car.
euro levels of ride comfort are often considered harsh over the pond and as their road systems can accomodate softer suspensions they tend to feature them.
of course it'll be good, but it won't be as good as a european equivalent.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
i was just about to post exactly the same thing.
exactly what is a "distinctly american driving experience"?
unreliable and overweight with suspension that has either the characteristics of wine gums or concrete?
oooo where do i sign? NOT.

*Sigh* I've got to stop posting about American cars on here. The replies always just serve to wind me up. :(

The Mustang in my opening post - let's go through this one step by step shall we?

1) - "unreliable" - it has a reasonably large, uncomplicated, unstressed V8 engine. No traction control to go haywire, an American autobox that's at least orders of magnitude better than anything a European manufacturer has come up with in the reliability stakes, and everything about it's mechanics and electrics is big and simple.

2) - "overweight" - I'm not going there. Historically, American cars have been bigger and heavier than British cars. If that makes them overweight for your tastes, so be it. I quite like my 5000lb battlewagon though.

3) - crap suspension (I had to infer that, if it wasn't your intention to say that then I apologise) - people who have actually driven the current series Mustang have reported back that the handling and ride are very good. But don't take my word for the handling prowess of the current model Mustangs - ask Gibbo. Or would the opinion of an owner be far too biased for you?


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Now that I've typed this, I've started to wonder if I should actually post it. I will, but I'll probably be back on here in the morning to see how it got tore to shreds. :) One last thing though:

panthro said:
Those specs are well off. I reckon that the F1 would pwn the S7 in every way. The F1 has a verified 0-100 time of round 6.2 seconds IIRC, but it is definitely under 7.

I have 6.4 to 6.5secs for the F1 doing 0-100mph in my big Word doc of stats here. S7's curb weight is something like 2850lbs, I have the Mclaren down as ~2425lbs. So the F1 is giving away over 100 ponies, but is only around 400lbs lighter. Plus, the difference in torque between the engines....I'm not surprised that the Saleen just eats it on the initial getaway through to 100mph.
 
JRS said:
Saleen "Parnelli Jones" Mustang

Saleen modified Ford Modular V8, punched out to 302ci, 370 SAE ponies and 370lb-ft of torque (at 6000 and 4000rpm respectively). New Watts Linkage suspension setup. Tidy little bodykit and 19s (9in wide in front, 10in wide out back). Looks quite nice to me :)

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Someone at OCUK has one of these. It's in black with massive wheels and written SALEEN on the back, First saw it on the A500 jacked up in the jams like everyone else. Later on it was parked outside the door of OCUK HQ.
 
blade007 said:
Someone at OCUK has one of these. It's in black with massive wheels and written SALEEN on the back, First saw it on the A500 jacked up in the jams like everyone else. Later on it was parked outside the door of OCUK HQ.

Gibbo owns it - and it isn't a Parnelli, but it is a Saleen 'stang. It's also bloody gorgeous :)
 
Hi there

Gotta comment on the reliability aspect of things, as anybody who claims American cars to be unreliable needs to reconsider that.

To be blunt there is so little to go wrong on most American cars. They have big V8's in low states of tune so very unstressed, basic suspensions systems and don't feature fancy electronics to drive the car for you except for certain models, so in essence there is little to go wrong. The true American cars can really stack up the miles and don't need no fancy servicing just basic oil changes and lubricant in the right places and as such they will go on forever. What makes them more interesting to drive is the fact that some are more boatish but at the same time can result in great fun leaving a pair of elevens up the road or having that rear end swinging around everywhere. :)

P.S. If I could choose any car then I would choose an Saleen S7 and no thats not just because I own a Saleen but because it has gotta be the coolest, sexiest, meaniest and fastest car you can buy plus its something you could use everyday.
 
JRS said:
people who have actually driven the current series Mustang have reported back that the handling and ride are very good.

In my experience, the ride was OK, handling was too ponderous to consider it a real sports car.

I'm not a fan of Mustangs - the interior is cheap, performance so so and they're about as common as muck over here. At least in the UK they have a bit of exclusivity.

Bear in mind that a Saleen Mustangs like Gibbo's have about as much in common with a standard spec car as a Lotus Carlton had to a 1.8 LX.

American cars are much better than they used to be but in many respects, they still have a long way to go. GM isn't on the verge of colapse for no reason.
 
Gibbo said:
P.S. If I could choose any car then I would choose an Saleen S7 and no thats not just because I own a Saleen but because it has gotta be the coolest, sexiest, meaniest and fastest car you can buy plus its something you could use everyday.

Couldnt agree more about your statement about American cars, but an S7 as a daily use car, itll cry when it see a speedhump surely?
 
Baron G said:
handling was too ponderous to consider it a real sports car.

Oh for the love of.....

I'm going to type this one large, bold and italic....just in case anyone might miss it:

IT ISN'T A SPORTS CAR

Ford never claimed it to be a sports car. The car certainly never claimed to be a sports car. And I dount that the drivers of Mustangs buy them looking for a sports car. I would think that they buy them looking for something nice and simple with a reasonable amount of power, a truck-load of torque and no frippery to spoil the fun.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
i was just about to post exactly the same thing.
exactly what is a "distinctly american driving experience"?
unreliable and overweight with suspension that has either the characteristics of wine gums or concrete?
oooo where do i sign? NOT.

I guess it depends what American car you buy as there are many that still do have suspension setups that have the handling characteristics of wine gums or concrete, hehe. :D

However I own a Saleen S281. Which is a Ford Mustang GT which has had different shock absorbers, springs, anti-roll bars, polyurethene bushes all fited in place of the standard suspension setup along with 20" wheels, 10" wide at the rear and 9" wide at the front along with engine power increased along with other styling, interior and performance improvements.
Though I have to admit it was one of my worse fears when buying a Mustang was how it would handle. The original UK owner (1st owner, I am 2nd owner) had it from new and when I asked him how it handled he said as good as the wifes new M3 Cab and I instantly thought he was having me on. So he took me out, now this guy could drive, put it this way he races Ford Capri's with some serious modifications to engine power so he knows what he's doing with a RWD beast. I was amazed at how quick this could could get round tight twisty country lanes. Even Pistonheads and several other magazines who have reviews the STD Ford Mustang have commented on its handling been as good as other JAP/Euro sports cars in a similar price region. So ideally the Saleen varient should be a damn good handling car, you can see this from viewing these video's:-

http://www.saleen.com/downloads.htm

Now my findings are yes it does handle well, it certainly corners precisely and the steering is the most responsive and best feeling of a car I have driven yet. The difference with a car like this is that just jabbing the throttle could get you into trouble if the road conditions are not ideal but if your smooth with planting the throttle you can power round corners even in not the best weather/road conditions, but its not advisable. However in the dry it such a fun car to drive, you can either please yourself by just listening to the V8 rumble, even now after owning the car for a few months I still have not had the radio on loud and always have my windows down, the sound is so addictive of the engine. Or you can just drive it like a loon making people look in shock when they see what looks like a 2000kg+ (actual weight is about 1550kg) American Muscle car screaming round corners and actually going round them. :D The straight line acceleration is just awsome and stupidly addictive and its getting quicker by the day which I am putting down to the engine loosening up as she has now done 1600 miles, so not many at all. Whats also great is this is a car that yes has a fine tuned race suspension but I could quite happily drive the Mustang from one end of the country to the other end as its such a nice place to be and the ride is comfortable. The brakes are great at sub 3 figure speeds but from higher speeds I feel as if they could be better but the stopping power is good, but thats no doubt mainly down to the rubber putting the car in contact with the tarmec, I feel a Saleen 14" brake conversion would be a good upgrade choice. :)

I was naughty today on the way home as I took the scenic route and noticed a very nice Mini Cooper S over-taking vehicles behind me as we were on the A34 a very wide stretch of country road with some nice long sweeping but bumpy corners. Anyway I decided I was not gonna have a mini overtaking me so easily so as he came charging up my rear with corner approaching and he was positioning to over-take round the corner as you can see round it I dropped down to 3rd and booted it, held onto the corner and as exiting the sweeping bend buried the accelerator to the max, upped it to 4th took a look in my rears and poor old Mini was gonna, looked down at my speedo as noticed I was at warp speed and quickly approaching traffic so I slowed down to normal speeds. Mini driver catches back up, looking shocked anyway this guy was obviously a nutter as he next decided to overtake about 4-5 cars down the centre of the road with oncoming traffic and so I took notice to see what he had which was when I saw the Cooper S and something written on the other side in smaller writing but could not make it out. Anyway for an American car in the hands of somebody who is just a novice driver I surprised the driver of one of the UK's/Germans finest handling hot hatches/cars, obviously his straight line speed was just no match and surprised him on the twisty bit. :D Though I've never quite understood why some people will just over-take irrelevant of the risk, though the guy looked happy and was enjoying himself. :)

Though I must admit I just love cruising around in my Mustang I normally don't entertain racing with other cars at all and to be honest nobody even tries to race me everybody just looks smiles and the amount of thumbs up and head light flashing from other cars is great. Pulling up in the Mustang makes people very happy and they just wanna know what it is and admire it for been so very different, especially here on UK roads. Afterall seeing a Mustang in the UK is rare, but seeing a Saleen Mustang which is different in so many ways to a normal Mustang people just don't have a clue what it is and are eager to know. I must admit I do get the temptation to leave a set of elevens up the road sometimes and in the wet its fun making the back-end slide around when there is the room and safety to do so.
 
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