New speeding fines

Lakeland · 19 Apr 2017 at 07:28

I just happened to stumble across this info, doesn't seem very well advertised unless I'm missing something..

http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/

Not sure if thresholds have changed as I don't know what the previous ones were.

chris4652009 · 19 Apr 2017 at 07:53

So they are more lenient now? :confused:

Havana_UK · 19 Apr 2017 at 08:12

As far as I could see from reading it there's noting in there concrete about the severity of the fine itself, but only guidance about the accompanying punitive measures, e.g. number of points and minimum length of disqualification.

I read this more as a clarification of things rather than anything else.

Lakeland · 19 Apr 2017 at 08:24

Starting point Range

Fine Band A
50% of relevant weekly income
Range: 25 – 75% of relevant weekly income

Fine Band B
100% of relevant weekly income
Range: 75 – 125% of relevant weekly income

Fine Band C
150% of relevant weekly income
Range: 125 – 175% of relevant weekly income

Fine Band D
250% of relevant weekly income
Range: 200 – 300% of relevant weekly income

Fine Band E
400% of relevant weekly income
Range: 300 – 500% of relevant weekly income

Fine Band F
600% of relevant weekly income
Range: 500 – 700% of relevant weekly income

Fairly sure these fines are higher? Not sure how you land in band D, E or F though.

Havana_UK · 19 Apr 2017 at 09:01

Yeah, just stumbled across the same info. I imagine bands D, E & F are not used for speeding offences alone.

The change (effective April 24th) is that the fines go up from 100% of relevant weekly income, to 150% of relevant weekly income.

I came across this article: http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/19/speed...onth-heres-what-you-need-to-know-6520139/amp/

Ryan-3 · 19 Apr 2017 at 09:19

I currently don't have any income, so is my fine £0?

Goody_GTI · 19 Apr 2017 at 13:06

This seems a weird move, as this is going to be so varied depending on how much you earn! Might slow a few professional footballers down though

Psycho Sonny · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:30

Goody_GTI said:
This seems a weird move, as this is going to be so varied depending on how much you earn! Might slow a few professional footballers down though

what were the fines before?

is it income before or after taxes? if before then it will hurt people quite a lot. is it fair? IMO no.

as it's much more likely a 17 year old speeding will earn a lot less than say a 35 year old speeding. arguably the 17 year old is of a higher risk (less experienced driver) and will be driving a rattly 108/corsa compared to say the 35 year old in a saloon that is capable of handling speed a lot better on motorways.

it's basically another form of taxation now.

Glanza · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:38

Psycho Sonny said:
what were the fines before?

is it income before or after taxes? if before then it will hurt people quite a lot. is it fair? IMO no.

as it's much more likely a 17 year old speeding will earn a lot less than say a 35 year old speeding. arguably the 17 year old is of a higher risk (less experienced driver) and will be driving a rattly 108/corsa compared to say the 35 year old in a saloon that is capable of handling speed a lot better on motorways.

it's basically another form of taxation now.

Weren't the fines fixed before? £60 or £100 + points on your licence.

Other countries have done the speeding fine = x amount of your salary for years and it works well for them. Sweden iirc gave out the largest speeding ticket ever due to how much money the guy was making.

adolf hamster · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:40

so does this mean someone on the dole is going to get a fine of nothing?

ajf · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:52

Reading that, to me, it looks like this is what would be applied if taken to court, rather than fixed penalty notices, as it makes a couple of references to court and plea.

Psycho Sonny · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:55

adolf hamster said:
so does this mean someone on the dole is going to get a fine of nothing?

surely a week and a half's dole money? however you would hope they then look into how someone on the dole is running about in a car with the cost of fuel, insurance, tyres, repairs, etc in this country. it's just not possible on £80 a week.

ttaskmaster · 19 Apr 2017 at 15:56

3 points for 71 in a 70?
Seriously?

Psycho Sonny · 19 Apr 2017 at 16:04

ttaskmaster said:
3 points for 71 in a 70?
Seriously?

that has always been the case.

you do know what the word limit means?

it's enforced at the officer's discretion. so you could get 1 that enforces a 31 in a 30 and another that doesn't bother enforcing a 35 in a 30. your at the mercy of the person on the day.

ttaskmaster · 19 Apr 2017 at 16:19

Psycho Sonny said:
you do know what the word limit means?

I understood there was a buffer to account for reasonable variances between speed recording equipment and your vehicle's measuring, though.

Psycho Sonny said:
it's enforced at the officer's discretion. so you could get 1 that enforces a 31 in a 30

Ah, but I have it on very reliable and almost utterly infallible information that you will NEVER get flashed for doing 33 in a 30.... The thread is around here somewhere. I'm sure it's admissible in court and everything...!!

Psycho Sonny said:
your at the mercy of the person on the day.

So here we go again, yes? The Road Laws... they're more like guidelines, anyway!!

adolf hamster · 19 Apr 2017 at 16:32

Psycho Sonny said:
surely a week and a half's dole money? however you would hope they then look into how someone on the dole is running about in a car with the cost of fuel, insurance, tyres, repairs, etc in this country. it's just not possible on £80 a week.

you say that, but that doesnt stop folk.

Mr-White · 19 Apr 2017 at 17:29

Other considered factors, were these never taken into consideration before ?

Factors increasing seriousness

Statutory aggravating factors:

Previous convictions, having regard to a) the nature of the offence to which the conviction relates and its relevance to the current offence; and b) the time that has elapsed since the conviction
Offence committed whilst on bail

Other aggravating factors:

Offence committed on licence or post sentence supervision
Poor road or weather conditions
Driving LGV, HGV, PSV etc.
Towing caravan/trailer
Carrying passengers or heavy load
Driving for hire or reward
Evidence of unacceptable standard of driving over and above speed
Location e.g. near school
High level of traffic or pedestrians in the vicinity

Factors reducing seriousness or reflecting personal mitigation

No previous convictions or no relevant/recent convictions
Good character and/or exemplary conduct
Genuine emergency established

Mucky_Pup · 19 Apr 2017 at 23:54

Any details on how the weekly income is calculated yet? My wages change on a month to month basis, depending on how much overtime, shifts, and callout I do etc.

scratch · 20 Apr 2017 at 07:48

ajf said:
Reading that, to me, it looks like this is what would be applied if taken to court, rather than fixed penalty notices, as it makes a couple of references to court and plea.

That's how I've read it as well. It would be crazy to start asking people how much they earn as part of the NIP process.

Semple · 20 Apr 2017 at 09:02

There should just be a standard minimum amount, and then increase it by x% for every 10k over 25k for example.

That way even the poor won't get away with paying a pittance for a fine, but a speeding fine of say 50k for the super rich might make them think twice about speeding.