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New Toyota Supra formally announced

Discussion in 'Motors' started by Lowe, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. [TW]Fox

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    Like what?
     
  2. Nasher

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    Why don't you go and look it up yourself?
     
  3. Yas786

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    So a German car with a Toyota badge?? Haven’t been paying too much attention to the new “supra”.

    I remember the old supra’s though, my uncle had one back in ‘88 iirc. What a car that was, the spoiler was ridiculous and the shape of the car was immense.

    But this godforsaken hodgepodge of a car that’s somehow called a supra is a travesty to the iconic name.
     
  4. Simon

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    Why don’t you give an example
     
  5. [TW]Fox

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    Because you're the one arguing you could?
     
  6. Nasher

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    How about Escort Cosworth, Lotus Carlton? Family saloon cars with supercar performance at a fraction of the cost. You won't find something like that now.
     
  7. vanpeebles

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    lol those were expensive then
     
  8. Nasher

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    Not nearly as expensive as a Ferrari.
     
  9. vanpeebles

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    48 grand in 1990 is like a million pound now :D
     
  10. ubersonic

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    Mazda RX7, Nissan Z32 300ZX, Mitsubishi GTO, oh and a car you may have heard of called the "Toyota Supra", I think it may have been mentioned in this thread at some point ;)
     
  11. Nasher

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    Don't forget the Skyline. "276hp", but actually had way more.
     
  12. ubersonic

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    The point wasn't that you could get Ferrari/Lambo performance for the price of a used Capri. It was that you could get "a real monster for not a huge amount of money" being able to buy a car that could match or beat a Ferrari/Lambo for a fraction of the cost well being 100x more reliable and (depending on personal preference) better looking, was a cool thing back then.
     
  13. Kenai

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    Just picking on the first one on the list, the FD RX-7 launched at £32,000, which is £65,000 today adjusted for inflation. Not sure such figures count as 'not a huge amount of money' to most people. In fact, it sold so poorly they had to slash the price to £25,000 (£50,000) just to shift them didn't they?
     
  14. [TW]Fox

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    Escort Cosworth - in 1993, they were £22k. Adjusted for inflation, that is the equivalent of £44k today. Virtually every single mega hatch offers greater performance than the Cosworth at less money - ie M140i, VW Golf R, even the A45 AMG is about the same.

    So, wrong.

    Lotus Carlton - A staggering £48,000 new in 1993. Adjusted for inflation, that is the equivalent of £96k today. The list of cars on the market that offer more performance for less than £96k is significant. You don't actually need to spend much at all to equal or better the performance of the Carlton - a BMW 540i is likely quicker at half the price - but even an F90 M5, which is monstrously more capable and is arguably the same type of car now as the Carlton was then, is around the same price, in real terms, as the Carlton.

    So, wrong.


    Of which most versions were fairly slow - even the quick one, the TT, had a list price in 1993 of £40,000. This is £80,000 today and again the list of cars offering comparable or better performance in a coupe bodystyle is significant.

    As per usual, Nasher was completely wrong.

    It is absolutely untrue to say 'In the 90s you could buy a real monster for not a huge amount of money'. The cars mentioned were seriously expensive!
     
  15. Nasher

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    Your comparing with modern performance which is stupid. These cars could outrun supercars of their time. A Testarossa was 170k in 1990 and was slower than a Carlton. Over 300hp in a family saloon was ridiculous in the early 90s.

    Tbh They are still quick now since they don't weigh much.

    Try finding a 70-80k family car which will beat a 400k supercar now.
     
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  16. [TW]Fox

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    Because everything was slower then - today an M5 does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. How much quicker can it realistically get?!

    The Lotus Carlton wasn't a family saloon - that was the Vauxhall Cavalier - it was an expensive executive car. A very, very expensive executive car! Infact one of the most expensive the world has ever seen. Yet you're saying you could get cars like that cheap in the early 90's? It's total nostalgic rubbish.

    Shock as eye-wateringly expensive low volume tweaked saloon was fast. Just like eye-wateringly expensive low volume tweaked saloons are fast nowdays too.

    A 50 grand hatchback is hardly affordable either yet that is effectively what the Escort Cosworth was.
     
  17. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Hardly a 1990 pound is equiv to around £2.25 now, or an increase of approx 125%
     
  18. Nasher

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    Yet they still sold loads of them. Enough for the government to try and ban them as the police couldn't catch crims using them..
     
  19. [TW]Fox

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    Where does all this rubbish come from? Do you ever check anything you post?

    They didn't sell loads of them at all - They sold way under the production estimates and there were no more than about 300 UK cars. This is not loads at all.
     
  20. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    the carlton was a super rare beast it was the best part of £50k when new, and thats when a 2 up 2 down cost me £28k. The equivalent cost would be £125k or so now, thats hardly a cheap family car ;)