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Apple can guarantee an experience, so some extend, android cannot.

I don't see the fragmented android platform as a problem but won't predict which way it will go. It could be PC versus Mac or Console Gaming versus PC gaming.

Both have the same issues but the outcome was very different in each.
 
Isn't the fact that apples products are over priced, over simplified and completely controlled and locked down the main selling point?

ie isn't that the market that they are after, the rich IT illiterate people?

What people who're really into tech forget is that it's still only a fraction of the populace who're tech savvy.

I started on a C64 and Amiga before going onto Windows and later onto Linux. After ten years or so of Linux and Windows I decided I wanted to try OS X. I don't game anymore and any gaming that I do is console based. And when it comes to Linux I've spent enough time using it to know that I really can't stand messing around with the operating system and just prefer to use my computers (hence why I like friendly distros like Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSuSE (SuSE 9 was my original foray into Linux way back in early 2000's I think, long before it became OpenSuSE)). So OS X was a good half way point between not having to bother with Windows crap and not having to bother with Linux crap. That's not to say that there is crap with OS X I hate having to deal with (every OS has it's crap. No OS is impervious to it). But it's much less than I personally have with Windows or Linux. If that's down to it being more locked down, I don't really care. It does not impact what I can and cannot do with my Apple hardware (despite what vehement Apple haters proclaim) and I've yet to run into a situation where the walled Apple garden has prevented my hardware from simply doing what I want.

When it comes to my home server I use Ubuntu Linux, again to avoid as much dealing with crap when it comes to Linux and just getting the boxes up and working. In the past I've run everything from Gentoo to FreeBSD. When it comes to my phone, I just want my phone to do what a phone should do, hence why I still haven't upgraded to a Smart phone (still using a Nokia 6300) despite trying them all (and a nasty period with WinMo). If I was really into being "free" and "open" in regards to using a smart phone I wouldn't use Android or Apple. I'd probably use the OpenMoko FreeRunner.

Elitests in any camp are boring and regurgitate cliched arguments for and against (which, on the internet, is not just in discussions or arguments about hard and software, put politics and philosophy (or keyboards :p)). At the end of the day, you use what gets the job done. A computer is a tool. It's not a movement or philosophy despite what Apple fanboys, Windows fanboys or Open source fanboys would have you believe. If people want to buy a screwdriver to remove a door, so what? There'll be someone somewhere who will use a bread knife. Neither way of completing the task is wrong, just different. Some prefer to buy the tool that'll do the job with the least amount of fuss. Some prefer to use the tool that'll do the job with the least amount of cost.
 
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Isn't the fact that apples products are over priced, over simplified and completely controlled and locked down the main selling point?

ie isn't that the market that they are after, the rich IT illiterate people?

Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe myself - someone who is a Linux Systems admin and web developer :confused:
 
Well said but owners of either product resent being called it illiterate etc.

My wife had a nokia xpress music but since I gave her my old touch she loves it when asked why it's because it's "easy to use" it's that simple.

Intelligent tech that looks nice and is "easy to use" apple does it very nicely.

The apps aren't that expensive @ £1 each. Compare that to DSi or PSP games....
 
Apple products are expensive for what you get, but the resale value on them is high also.

When I was looking at getting my iPhone 4 last year I had a look at the price of a good condition 3GS on ebay and it was around the £300 mark. £300 for a year old phone is insane.

Therefore you can buy an iPhone 4 on a 12 month £35 per month contract for £220 and sell it a year later at more than you bought it for. Thus making it a reasonable prospect.

I don't agree that Apple products are about image anymore. Too many people own them for anybody to want one to be cool.

Also loving the comments about Apple and IT illiterate people, completely unfounded, I'm IT literate (I dual boot Ubuntu and Windows 7 on my PC "Wow look at me!") and I bought an iPhone because I don't need my phone to do anything more than an iPhone can and Safari and the iPod functionality are both brilliant.

Also why is Jailbreaking so popular if mainly IT illiterate people buy Apple products? I know it's not difficult to actually Jailbreak a device but the benefits it gives are mainly focused at IT literate people.
 
Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe myself - someone who is a Linux Systems admin and web developer :confused:

Not meaning to perpetuate the terms used in the argument but you are perhaps one of the many exceptions to the assumed target demographic. You are possibly someone who has the desired use out of your iPhone and appreciate the design aspects of it.

I sit on a slightly different side of the fence in that it's not the devices that I have a problem with but the underlying infrastructure that Apple have and are still building into their devices and environment. I think the iPhone is a beautifully designed device and I think that iOS is about as perfect and intuitive a UI as has ever come out on a handheld device. Unfortunately I think Apple are in the unenviable situation of having to improve on the almost perfect and then end result is complicating the experience (the multitasking implementation is a prime example of this).

iPad I find somewhat lacklustre and certainly not the 'magical' and 'revolutionary' device that it's sold as being much like the first version of the iPhone. I suspect that v2 isn't going to be much better simply because Apple don't appear to be reaching to the lofty heights of a tablet PC or a tablet Mac, it's going to remain an oversized tablet phone... IMO of course.
 
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Isn't the fact that apples products are over priced, over simplified and completely controlled and locked down the main selling point?

ie isn't that the market that they are after, the rich IT illiterate people?

Not that tired old chestnut again!

My 27" iMac at home has a higher resolution screen and the same processor as my Dell workstation and yet costs about £50 less than the Del workstation + Dell 27" display.

A Google Nexus S costs more than an iPhone 4.

Apple kit is expensive but that doesn't equal overpriced.

As for oversimplified I'm sure all the Final Cut Studio users (an Apple product) think that. So do the XCode users (another Apple product)

Yes the Apple iPhone is simple to use and the software controlled. They wan't to deliver (what they see) as the best user experience.

Apple's desktop computers are simple to use but underneath lies far more power that you get under the skin of Windows. BSD all the way down baby!

As for illiterate IT people. Well I have over 10 years in the field and I run Apple kit at home. Generalizations tend not to work...
 
Not that tired old chestnut again!

My 27" iMac at home has a higher resolution screen and the same processor as my Dell workstation and yet costs about £50 less than the Del workstation + Dell 27" display.

A workstation should be much more powerful thus more expensive than an imac so that isn't really saying anything. :p

I take back what I wrote in this thread earlier.

Apple's subscription model, quite frankly, sucks:

http://uk.gizmodo.com/5761383/apples-new-subscription-model-is-evil

Apple always seem to shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to getting people to develop for their system, as if developers needed yet another reason to choose Android over Apple.
 
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