Nice to see the justice system getting its priorities in order!-Again!
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Just the way this country is now financial crimes get tougher sentencing, free speech is dying and professional politicians are the norm i lost faith in the criminal justice system a long time ago and have a lot less respect for the police these days. I just shut up and plod along no point trying to oppose many aspects of 2019 UK society if i had the cash I'd be out of the UK like a bullet but I'm skint so as above i just keep quiet and plod along.
Caporegime
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
More jail time for throwing an egg than nearly killing a girl and leaving her for dead. What. The. Actual. ****
More jail time for throwing an egg than nearly killing a girl and leaving her for dead. What. The. Actual. ****
Whats the latter story?
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Yeah, this.
Career criminals are getting a more severe punishment than people being punished for a single incident. This is unsurprising.
Soldato
The problem is timescale and volume.
Stabbing someone in the face/attempted murder is definitely the more serious of the crimes.
Committing fraud for 10+ years costing a company in excess of an estimated £10 million isn't just a little case of piracy.
Had they of done this a couple of times and got caught they probably wouldn't have seen a jail cell
Stabbing someone in the face/attempted murder is definitely the more serious of the crimes.
Committing fraud for 10+ years costing a company in excess of an estimated £10 million isn't just a little case of piracy.
Had they of done this a couple of times and got caught they probably wouldn't have seen a jail cell
Pirate movies is slap on the wrist material. It's a total waste of tax payers money sending them to prison for years for something so petty.
The whole point in prison is supposed to be for people who are a danger to the public. Some who stabbed someone is danger, someone selling pirate movies isn't.
I wonder how many brown envelopes have been past to get those kind of sentences.
The whole point in prison is supposed to be for people who are a danger to the public. Some who stabbed someone is danger, someone selling pirate movies isn't.
I wonder how many brown envelopes have been past to get those kind of sentences.
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It staggers me that people can so readily dismiss theft as being of no consequence.
Presumably these people just shrug their shoulders if they get burgled?
Presumably these people just shrug their shoulders if they get burgled?
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She wasn't charged with attempted murder.
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That's probably down to the CPS being a bunch of spineless cretins who always take the easy option to guarantee a tick in the convicted column. There was a similar thing not long back in Dunstable where a bloke deliberately and purposefully drove a car along the pavement in an attempt to kill someone he'd had an earlier argument with but being a complete anti-social div he ploughed into an innocent person instead, leaving them crippled for life. The spineless CPS decided to charge him with GBH with intent, much to the displeasure of the police involved in the case who were visibly ****** off and very scathing of how the CPS operates.
It wasn't just an egg being thrown it was an attack on a promient politician so I think a robust sentence is fully justified here (and I'm far from a a fan of Corbyn)
The latter case just reflects the reality that sometimes people who otherwise would and probably should go to prison don't because of the devastating effect it would have on other's particulary children.
Previously in this thread I highlighted exactly why you don't see too many attempted murder charges and why GBH is very often and very sensibly a preferred charge.
The fact is that a section 18 GBH is already punishable with up to life imprisonment and so a court will have plenty of sentencing power to reflect the individual circumstances of the case with the male in the case you cite getting a fairly substantial sentence of seven years.
This has nothing to do with the CPS being 'spineless' rather it would appear some police officers and others not knowing enough about the law.
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Soldato
No, but several people in the thread are claiming she should have been and it was that which was being referred too.
Nope, see the comments from the judge, he's acknowledged that stabbing someone in the neck could quite easily have killed them:
Soldato
But surely you can only be charged with what you've done/attempted to do and not what could've possibly happened?
Like a burglar stealing a £3k painting whilst knowing nothing about art. They can't be charged on the possibility of that painting actually being worth millions.
She's not killed her, nor was it probably her intent to kill. Just a moment of rage madness.
Like a burglar stealing a £3k painting whilst knowing nothing about art. They can't be charged on the possibility of that painting actually being worth millions.
She's not killed her, nor was it probably her intent to kill. Just a moment of rage madness.
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a human life is only worth a few thousand I think, whereas pirating sky tv costs them millions
oh....you think the government actually cares about you? hahahahahahahahaha....oh geez
they care about your tax money though
oh....you think the government actually cares about you? hahahahahahahahaha....oh geez
they care about your tax money though
She didn’t die... if you have such contempt for the judiciary then you can leave.
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I never said the system was wrong did I
That's the thing, I do wonder if perhaps the way we deal with this stuff is a bit flawed.
I mean say person A stabs person B on a council estate in central London in broad daylight, at lunchtime on a Wednesday, they're spotted and immediately rushed to a top central London hospital and given first class medical care, they survive. That person might get GBH, might get attempted murder... it is a bit of a lottery.
Say the exact same stabbing occurred but it happened say 20 years ago, the medical care perhaps isn't as advanced and the victim dies... or perhaps it happens today but it is in some small town in rural Norfolk and on a Saturday night + the victim is taken to a small local hospital with an A&E department already under strain from drunk inbreds.
The perpetrator's sentence is potentially massively influenced by things unrelated to the offence itself like the time of day and the skills + resources of the medical team etc... That shouldn't be a reason for one person to get 5 years and another to get 20.