Non Labour voters - What one thing might change your mind?

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Sorry, I don't know the details of this bill, perhaps you could elaborate what the bill proposes? I notice Labour is paying more attention to policing + law and order lately. This is a luke warm thing for me, but can see how it would be important to some.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...and-courts-bill-2021-protest-powers-factsheet

Some significant protests around the country over it

Here's a previous post I made on Labour's sudden change of direction :

So Labour are now voting against the Crime, Sentencing and Courts bill because of "disproportionate controls on free expression and the right to protest"

However, just one week ago, the Shadow Home Secretary was seemingly taking an opposite view, saying the bill would be "cold comfort to police officers", and will "not go far enough"

There's just no understanding of Labour's role from current leadership. They won't get credit for a clear flip-flop response to yesterday's excessive police escalation.
 
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@cheesyboy I agree with you on this, as I tend to support the rights of protestors. I'm unsure why there needs to be any changes to the existing law, regarding protesting and marches. The bill also "Restate(s) the common law offence of public nuisance", which I think is a silly law, as it reintroduces the vague concept of "outraging public decency" and makes it a statutory criminal offense. I don't think many of these cases will stand up in court. It think it would be better in my view for this law to be scrapped entirely.

There are some sensible parts though, such as "Ensure vehicular entrances to the Parliament Estate remain unobstructed".

The bill also allows police to set start and finish times for protests, I'd worry that they'd limit them so much that they barely make any impact at all.

Labour did oppose it though, so I don't see much of an issue here.
 
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The party as a whole finding some broader perspective, pragmatism and recognising there needs to be a balance to things vs ideology and a move away from the grip of narrow minded toxicity which was infecting the party with Corbyn - even if/when some of that was driven by "good intentions". I had some hope it would come with Starmer but I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Labour now it seems fast turning into a farce.

Democracy is effectively dead in this country currently.
 
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* rejoin the EU
* denounce Momentum
* grant independence to Scotland
* nationalise a bunch of stuff
* force corporate tax cheats to pay their fair share
* chuck a bunch of extra cash at the BBC and NHS
 
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* denounce Momentum
Maybe try to disband them and replace them with a new group? Marxist and communist entrists would be banned from the new group - The justification for this is that the Labour Party is supposed to be a Socialist and centre left party, not ultra left.

Not sure what Momentum can do to help Labour now, except criticize from the sidelines, and plot against Starmer.
 
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Maybe try to disband them and replace them with a new group? Marxist and communist entrists would be banned from the new group - The justification for this is that the Labour Party is supposed to be a Socialist and centre left party, not ultra left.

Not sure what Momentum can do to help Labour now, except criticize from the sidelines, and plot against Starmer.

Hell yeah, I agree with all of that!
 
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Actually be a British working class supporting party not a world and his dog minority interest supporting party (not talking ethnicity). They seem to have so many cabals that any message of support is lost in the noise.
 

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Electoral reform.

The Tory`s are **** scared of this as it would break their vote into tiny little bits of nothing, same goes for Labour.

I would vote Labour or Green to remove any Tory no matter the policy. The Tory`s only serve themselves and themselves is the rich club from Eaton and other posh public schools, everyone else means nothing to them, just a fly to swat away.

We need reform not more Tory/Labour trash politics I am sick to the death of it.
 
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Labour did oppose it though, so I don't see much of an issue here.
Labour opposed it in response to police violence at the Sarah Everard vigil and the resulting outcry. Before that, they wanted it to be even more wide reaching.

This conversation started with you asking me what makes me say Starmer's Labour is right of the Tories. Wanting to go harder on this bill is an example of that. Opportunistically flip-flopping on it doesn't change the underlying ideology.
 
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The thing required for me to consider them, and not reject them out of hand.... a single policy that survives 10 minutes of inspection by me, in an area I know something about. Priced at a level that I don't consider impractical.

It's not a big ask.
 
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If you don't vote plan on voting for the Labour party at the next general election, what 1 thing could Labour promise to do, that might change your mind?
do they still have members like dianne abbot who are basically living memes?

Starmer seems okay but the rest of labour feels like all the same old tainted imbeciles
 
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Rent control system, provided housing related benefits are paid direct to landlords/local authorities so people do not misuse their state safety net on substance abuse. No one should be getting evicted for non-payment of rent when they are in receipt of benefits. If the benefits are not enough, put controls on the rents or increase the payments to claimants.

Longer tenancy agreements for those that want them.

End of right to buy and help to buy schemes.

Do SOMETHING about the house of lords ffs. It's a disgrace, but then I do not expect either the Red or Blue team to do jack **** about this ever. Jobs for the boys, for life.

I haven't put much thought into the above, so probably reasons for/against them, but I would get behind something that will ease the pressure on the struggling end of the population, kids do not deserve to be growing up in crap caused by insecure housing.
 
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If the Labour party dropped it's obsession with the "social liberalism" identarianism and actually focused on it's founding principles I might be more inclined to support them. I look at the 80's Labour party and it's desire to nationalise and squeeze the "rich" and I could never support that because I think it is self defeating. I look at the modern Labour party obsessed with everyone's identity rather than their circumstance and I hate that for the divisive dangerous society it creates. But there is a middle ground for a party that focusses on the worker but doesn't see the only solution being to soak them in other peoples money and cares about their concerns without pandering to the cult of victimhood.

Literally this +1

I was going to say words to this effect though you've put it better than I could! They need to ditch the obsession with identity politics (ethnicity, gender, etc) and actually get back to their core remit of supporting employees and the working class based on their circumstances (education, wealth, income, employment accommodation, etc).
 
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Rent control system, provided housing related benefits are paid direct to landlords/local authorities so people do not misuse their state safety net on substance abuse. No one should be getting evicted for non-payment of rent when they are in receipt of benefits. If the benefits are not enough, put controls on the rents or increase the payments to claimants.

Longer tenancy agreements for those that want them.

End of right to buy and help to buy schemes.
This should be such an obvious thing to put forward as the change was just another Tory ideology driven sack of badgers to make life harder for the poor.

Electoral reform
4 day week
Abolition of right to buy
Compulsory serving of asparagus at breakfast
The Tories must be holding on to you by just their finger nails.
Clearly not, since she's been off the front bench for a year.
I couldnt even be bothered to respond to that one.
 
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