North Korea

The sad irony is that if the North wasn't so bat**** mental, they could have had re-unification years ago. :/
 
Would anything change if Kim was taken out of the equation
Not really, the country has been living in fear of the US for over half a century, the reason their government gets away with spending over two thirds of their GDP on their military (when our people moan about 2%) is because they genuinely believe that if their country doesn't make itself strong then the hordes of US soldiers that raped and murdered their way across the peninsula and cut their country in half will return (not the exact same soldiers as they are dead or in old folks homes now, but you get the point).
 
The sad irony is that if the North wasn't so bat**** mental, they could have had re-unification years ago. :/

Can't see how that could ever happen, so much difference between the two countries, one wants a cultist oppressive dictatorship, the other free market socialially liberal capitalism, couldn't really get much different.
 
It'll be like Nazi Germany - even if the rank and file becomes disillusioned there will be enough true believers in command positions, etc. to keep them toeing the line - many probably won't be aware he is hiding in a hole even if he is.

It's like manga nazis.
 
I think you over exaggerate the level and quality of satellite surveillance. If it were this comprehensive, they'd have never been able to develop nuclear weapons in the first place as the US would have acted.

Take a look at this video, it is about 4 minutes, i watched it a years ago, the full documentary, it is truly eye opening.


And thats just one system they have, what do they have that we don't know about?

Like i said earlier, they know what is going on and would destroy his military within 48 hours.

Imo.
 
Take a look at this video, it is about 4 minutes, i watched it a years ago, the full documentary, it is truly eye opening.


And thats just one system they have, what do they have that we don't know about?

Like i said earlier, they know what is going on and would destroy his military within 48 hours.

Imo.

I'm not doubting the existence of high resolution satellite technology. What I challenge is whether they can use that to have the level of omniscience you imply they have.

For a start, North Korea is known to have thousands of miles of underground infrastructures. They have no technology to see into those.
 
I'm not doubting the existence of high resolution satellite technology. What I challenge is whether they can use that to have the level of omniscience you imply they have.

For a start, North Korea is known to have thousands of miles of underground infrastructures. They have no technology to see into those.
How do you know?

e: I am not denying the tunnel system, i have read the same before, but if whoever is in those tunnel systems watches what happens to everything above (obliterated, military wise) ground then i am pretty confident most of them would surrender with fear.
 
And thats just one system they have, what do they have that we don't know about?

Like i said earlier, they know what is going on and would destroy his military within 48 hours.

Imo.

There is no doubt the US has a lot of high resolution overhead view intel of NK but to do a lot of proper high detail, real time, tracking requires keeping a UAV overhead at like 10,000 feet which NK wouldn't simply let happen.
 
Erm, physics?

What kind of usable signals do you suppose will escape from an underground installation? That would allow them to see what's happening inside?

There are limited ways to see what is going on underground - ground penetrating radar, high detail sensory of seismic p waves, etc. but any real detail is another matter.

You can use a combination of these techniques to build up a rough 3D picture even something like the recent demo they did with wifi.
 
There are limited ways to see what is going on underground - ground penetrating radar, high detail sensory of seismic p waves, etc. but any real detail is another matter.
There you go Fox, I am no expert on this stuff, it is just the way i look at it.

Thanks Rroff.
 
Not going to allow you see anything going on inside. Heat will dissipate into the walls. If looking from above and through a couple meters of ground/concrete, you aren't seeing anything meaningful with heat.
What im saying is those inside will surrender once they see that everything above ground has been destroyed.

e: Knowing what is inside the tunnels is irrelevant, they will know they have no chance once everything has been destroyed above them.
 
There are limited ways to see what is going on underground - ground penetrating radar, high detail sensory of seismic p waves, etc. but any real detail is another matter.

You can use a combination of these techniques to build up a rough 3D picture even something like the recent demo they did with wifi.
But not from several kilometres above, eh.
 
Even so its limited in usefulness - many of these installations are repurposes salt mines 100s of feet underground with multiple spread out entrances - not trivial to compromise even with massive ordnance.

But not from several kilometres above, eh.

Some systems like ground penetrating radar can be used from satellites and reveal a surprising amount about general layout - I have no idea if the US is using a variety of other techniques - a dense network of sensors measuring natural seismic activity or artificially created i.e. underground detonation can potentially show you quite a lot from a distance though for any kind of useful 3D mapping you'd probably need localised detection.
 
Please tell me what construction of a nuclear weapon looks like on a heat map
Eh, what i said above has nothing to do with nukes, i simply said the USA know every military installation in NK that is above ground, once all of that is destroyed, a large portion of the people in tunnels will simply surrender.

Then game over, all in 48 hours, IMO.
 
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