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Not trying to be too picky but I don't think that's what the majority of the NK people want, it's what they've got
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Not trying to be too picky but I don't think that's what the majority of the NK people want, it's what they've got
You did specifically ask how we know that the US military can't see into NK's underground installations.
It's exactly what you said
I know, but we don't though, do we?You did specifically ask how we know that the US military can't see into NK's underground installations.
It's exactly what you said
Indoctrination tho is very real. The NK population aren't "normal" people, I'm afraid to say. It's all they know since birth, and since comms with the outside world are practically non-existant, they may well believe KJU is a god made flesh.
Defectors seem to be mostly from the military, who perhaps know a bit more than the general populace.
I remember when they all slagged Enemy of the State.
Though I wonder what technology they have for seeing underground...
Did Hitler surrender while his entire country was overrun?
No and you could bet that if they'd achieved nuclear weapons before the Allies, that if the situation was dire, they would definitely have used it on Berlin if only to rid the world of a few commies. The situation is... close to being available for Kimmy boy.
No and you could bet that if they'd achieved nuclear weapons before the Allies, that if the situation was dire, they would definitely have used it on Berlin if only to rid the world of a few commies. The situation is... close to being available for Kimmy boy.
Exactly what I was going to reply. You/I/we have no idea the state of their thought mechanisms, may as well have come from Mars for all we know, would be interesting experiment for psychologists i'm sure. Myabe not though, just don't know.
Repetitive conditioning is very powerful though, including police harassment and media indoctrination. Over many decades many NK's will have very little sense of what having sense is, freedoms, however ever you define them.
Essentially a form of torture using constant media broadcasts or 'our great leader', all the statues and worship of the leaders then the fear factor from the police.
I'm afraid that knowing the basic properties of matter means that we do know. There is no technology allowing anyone to see what's happening in underground installations.I know, but we don't though, do we?
Not because the US military doesn't have good people working for them, but because some things just cannot be done.
You can't see anything meaningful going on even a few meters underground.
If you could, it would be being used not against NK, but to find criminals, etc, at home. Think of all the criminals they could catch if it was possible to see what was happening inside our homes. And our homes aren't even underground, or shielded with lead, or whatever.
Nah they're simply ruled by fear, the most powerful motivator, once whatever is causing that fear is removed they'll no longer be indoctrinated.
Aggghhh, fair enough haha
https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/19/researchers-map-a-building-in-3d-using-wifi-enabled-drones/
Its more than just fear in the case of NK and even though there is increasing disillusionment especially in the country side to the point increasing numbers will risk anything, even though they've been indoctrinated to believe its worse, on the chance of something better it will take a lot more than just deposing the leadership to break it down. There is a whole network there of people enforcing the regime.
There's a wealth of information that contradicts that viewpoint. Eg people living in religious compounds, etc. Once "liberated" from their abusers, some have needed years to realise that what was happening was actually abuse. Some never become "normal" and defend their abuses even after being "freed".
Indoctrination is real, and not something you can "switch off" overnight.
What kind of abuse are we talking? I don't think most of the NK population have been abused in the same was a those in religious compounds, for a start as far as I'm aware they aren't deprived of sex or abused as children.
One of those girls who grew up in the Westbro bapist church was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently and she came across very normal and more articulate than most despite being hated all her life and deprived of normality.
Not really the same as being able to see activity in *underground* facilities from spy drones/satellites miles in the air, as I said...
For a start, this tech needs two drones on either side of the building.
Well great, but how you going to achieve that for an underground installation? You'd need a drone/satellite than a mechanical mole underneath
There are many many cults that don't abuse their followers physically or sexually where its very hard for those that leave to adjust - when you have been brought up within something like that you simply don't know any different in some cases and/or it takes a lot to undo what you've been conditioned with even if having an open mind and resistant to it.
Not really the same as being able to see activity in *underground* facilities from spy drones/satellites miles in the air, as I said...
For a start, this tech needs two drones on either side of the building.
Well great, but how you going to achieve that for an underground installation? You'd need a drone/satellite than a mechanical mole underneath
Was more the second point about use against criminals - tech is slowly coming along where realtime scanning from outside a building can do similar to what is seen in some movies.
On a bigger scale though you can use seismic waves and a network of detectors to map underground structures - though as per your post generally you need to do this fairly localised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_tomography same kind of techniques can be used at other scales as well - with a dense network of sensors you could even use NK's own underground nuclear tests against them to (very) generally map their underground infrastructure.
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It's about accepting what you're told, by a person who claims to be a god/representative of god, prophet, whatever.
These people become brainwashed. They don't think like rational people if brainwashed for many years.
NK populace have been brainwashed *since birth*. Many would have real problems living anywhere else, now.
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That isn't the point under discussion. You claimed the US could see everything NK was up to. They cannot. They cannot even see below the surface of a roof. But even if they could, they don't have the manpower to do so. But even if they could watch everyone meaningful in NK at once, they'd still only learn so much from observing overhead.
Strange that because in the post I've edited above there's many cases of people who've grew up since birth in said religious cults and adjusted themselves fine to the normal world once free from it.
I'd say they're accepting what they're told because of fear of imprisonment/death not because they're brainwashed, do you really believe all of them people line the streets and bow down to Kim because they really believe he's some god or because they simply don't want to be tortured/killed. I don't think for one second they're stupid enough to believe the things Kim says he's done, even a child wouldn't be that naive. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2cc357-34a9-464c-b32f-1291d16dd1b0_story.html