Depends what wavelength they are looking in. UV or IR will be able to see through a roof. But it won't be cystal clear.
They will have been watching all movement in and around NK military facilities for years. Not just with satellites.
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Depends what wavelength they are looking in. UV or IR will be able to see through a roof. But it won't be cystal clear.
They will have been watching all movement in and around NK military facilities for years. Not just with satellites.
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Some people may believe, but obviously a lot of them dont, or he wouldn't have to implement this hierarchical family punishment system to keep power, loyalty and keep deserters to a minimum.
Exactly, summed it up in far fewer words than me.
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All these points on the US saving the day in 48 hours is moot anyway. Even if you believe they could do it in so little time, they wouldnt.
It would be expensive, silly expensive. Nk has the terrain and though outdated, plenty of defence to make things costly and drawn out. After all of this is done and NK is dealt with, then what? The US has lost their best reason to keep signing forces agreements with SK that let them have a big base conveniently close to China and Russia.
It would be political suicide for whoever makes the call and career suicide for any top military blokes showing support for it. Yeah the US public might like the idea of taking out NK but it will likely be so costly that politicians will be labelled incompetent and top military generals certainly wont enjoy losing their reason to keep power there.
As time has gone on, sentiments toward the US presence in SK worsen and is only welcomed because of NK have their crazy amount of artillery pointed toward Seoul. If NK goes, then its only a matter of time until a SK politician uses promises of not renewing the military forces agreement as a way to catapult them into favour with the people.
This US willy waving is all bark and no bite because they have nothing to gain by destroying the regime and plenty to lose. The NK regime is similarly bark and no bite to make a show to its own people and military, they have nothing to gain through war and are likely enjoying the US making a big deal out of their their threats and adding credibility to their military might.
It would be expensive, silly expensive. Nk has the terrain and though outdated, plenty of defence to make things costly and drawn out. After all of this is done and NK is dealt with, then what? The US has lost their best reason to keep signing forces agreements with SK that let them have a big base conveniently close to China and Russia.
It would be political suicide for whoever makes the call and career suicide for any top military blokes showing support for it. Yeah the US public might like the idea of taking out NK but it will likely be so costly that politicians will be labelled incompetent and top military generals certainly wont enjoy losing their reason to keep power there.
As time has gone on, sentiments toward the US presence in SK worsen and is only welcomed because of NK have their crazy amount of artillery pointed toward Seoul. If NK goes, then its only a matter of time until a SK politician uses promises of not renewing the military forces agreement as a way to catapult them into favour with the people.
This US willy waving is all bark and no bite because they have nothing to gain by destroying the regime and plenty to lose. The NK regime is similarly bark and no bite to make a show to its own people and military, they have nothing to gain through war and are likely enjoying the US making a big deal out of their their threats and adding credibility to their military might.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVV2Zk88beY
There is a huge range to it - but there will always be a percentage of true believers and the like who'll keep the others in line as long as they can.
People who've never been brought up within an environment like that or never had much to do with people that have often really really can't see the perspective of how things seem when you don't have knowledge or experience of the things most of us take for granted.
One of the big problems is collateral damage and none the least NK likely won't hesitate to use civilians as shields especially against the US - otherwise the US could just pour in firepower from a distance and job done.
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I doubt there is that many people who actually believe the NK regime, i remember reading about some of it's citizens going to areas of the DMZ because they can get wifi signal from S.Korea 
No doubt there will be some people that will find it hard to adjust but the majority won't, you might get some farmer's in the middle of nowhere not really knowing the full state of affairs. And the only people that might be dissatisfied with the fall of the regime is the fat cats that have been looked after, everyone else will hate the fact that they struggle to put food on the table.
No doubt there will be some people that will find it hard to adjust but the majority won't, you might get some farmer's in the middle of nowhere not really knowing the full state of affairs. And the only people that might be dissatisfied with the fall of the regime is the fat cats that have been looked after, everyone else will hate the fact that they struggle to put food on the table.
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I think China plays a bigger part in things than it wants to as far as NK goes.
The NK people were really only ever close to one other nation, China. Since the war they have been a people that bled and fought together. In the past NK has painted China as not just a great ally that gives aid but an example of a country that has managed to function with similar ideals while major forces like the US push against it.
The China now is much different from the China of back then and everyone but the NK people know it. I think China dictates NK's military breaking point should war break out. Should China stand aside or go against NK (both of which are much more likely than the alternative) plenty of NK military would defect in the north and the North Korean moral would take an earth shaking blow.
Post war, i can imagine we find China gets to push their borders out a bit more and claim what essentially would be turned into a new industrial/manufacturing area of China where labour is cheap and plentiful but conditions will be several steps better than how the NK currently have it. Loyal North Koreans will adjust to
The NK people were really only ever close to one other nation, China. Since the war they have been a people that bled and fought together. In the past NK has painted China as not just a great ally that gives aid but an example of a country that has managed to function with similar ideals while major forces like the US push against it.
The China now is much different from the China of back then and everyone but the NK people know it. I think China dictates NK's military breaking point should war break out. Should China stand aside or go against NK (both of which are much more likely than the alternative) plenty of NK military would defect in the north and the North Korean moral would take an earth shaking blow.
Post war, i can imagine we find China gets to push their borders out a bit more and claim what essentially would be turned into a new industrial/manufacturing area of China where labour is cheap and plentiful but conditions will be several steps better than how the NK currently have it. Loyal North Koreans will adjust to
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It would be decades before SK considered anything of the sort, if ever. After all, why would they give up the protection of the US when their neighbour is China?
The thing you're missing is their fear is of the USA not of Kim, they see him as their protector. The whole reason they are fine with the country spending >66% of it's GDP on the military while people starve (and people here moan about 2%) is because they genuinely believe that if their country isn't strong then the US soldiers that cut their country in half will return to rape/massacre them once more.
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Source for this please? From what I have gathered most of them think Kim is a joke not a protector. You're speaking like they have some kind of say in how much of their GDP goes towards the military
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Because its a different China to before and NK is the main reason for the US military presence now. There already is plenty of anti-US military sentiment in SK.
Here is some pictures from Korean history books of the US invasion:
This is the type of stuff they learn at a young age, and while not entirely inaccurate (the US troops did do their fair share of rape and murder) it's pretty over dramatic.
Great article on North Korea's approach and escalation:
http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/why-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Shamelessly stolen from reddit.
http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/why-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Shamelessly stolen from reddit.
Here is some pictures from Korean history books of the US invasion:
This is the type of stuff they learn at a young age, and while not entirely inaccurate (the US troops did do their fair share of rape and murder) it's pretty over dramatic.
Not really a source for what you've said though is it, we are taught many things at a young age but form our own opinion once we grow up and get wind of some truths, they haven't been entirely cut off from the outside world and as seen from the article I posted on the previous page many of them secretly think he's a joke and with that I can't see how most of them believe he's keeping them safe from the US.
Well I sure am glad you're here to be the expert, not only in how North Korean citizens think and feel, but also on psychological matters too. I now know that indoctrination and brainwashing aren't really a thing, and that if the US overthrew KJU tomorrow, all the people would be rejoicing openly on the streets.
/thread. Ayahuasca informs. Ayahuasca reveals. Ayahuasca dispells the darkness, shows us the light and the way. Who is wise like Ayahuasca?
/s
Well at least I posted something evidence based on how North Korean people feel unlike you.
What you posted isn't evidence, and you ignored the other cases presented to you because they don't fit your ideas.
Here's some quotes from your "evidence" btw:
Amazing evidence there.
So impossible to verify, unknown how the data was gathered or its authenticity, but we'll go with it due to confirmation bias.
Forgive me for not being bowled over by your evidence.
It's more than you or uber offered? I didn't see any cases presented to me other than some images from a children's book.
OK Aya, you don't believe in brainwashing or indoctrination, try reading this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/n...as-a-god-who-could-read-her-mind-9251983.html
Not sure why you're so resistant to the idea.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/n...as-a-god-who-could-read-her-mind-9251983.html
Not sure why you're so resistant to the idea.