North Korea

[chrismscotland]

Anyone else getting a bit tired of the finger wagging and tutting beloved by those world leaders voicing their condemnation of North Korea's actions, do they think that Kim Jong Un gives a toss what the likes of Boris Johnson has to say?

Given that most of us don't give a toss what BoJo has to say I suspect Kim Jong is just laughing at him.
Your right though its just a bit wearing now, if North Korea had oil we'd have invaded by now!!

 

[Rroff]

EMP would be pretty effective against the cities, etc. as NK's power grid and so on are far behind modern western ones and even more susceptible to being knocked out for a long time by such an event. That said NK has long prepared for asymmetrical warfare under the assumption the US will have the upper hand in things like ewar, etc. so it wouldn't render as crippling a blow as if you managed to pull off the same against a country more used to relying on their infrastructure.

 

[Roar87]

Russia and China are utterly pathetic as they have always been when it comes to being effective members of the UN security council. The only option left at this point is tactical nuclear strikes on North Korea, there isn't any other effective way to deal with them.

 

[Rroff]

Russia and China are utterly pathetic as they have always been when it comes to being effective members of the UN security council. The only option left at this point is tactical nuclear strikes on North Korea, there isn't any other effective way to deal with them.

No reason to go nuclear on them if collateral damage is acceptable - high volume cruise, etc. attacks would largely work as well. Though still the issue of dealing with their massed artillery pointing at SK in a timely fashion.

 

[kindai]

Though still the issue of dealing with their massed artillery pointing at SK in a timely fashion.

Lets not pretend though that the western powers dont know where every artillery position is though to the last meter. If anything happens, you can be sure it will be kicked off with hundreds of cruise missiles/drone strikes/guided missiles leveling the artillery lines before NK even knows the first one is destroyed.

 

[Rroff]

Lets not pretend though that the western powers dont know where every artillery position is though to the last meter. If anything happens, you can be sure it will be kicked off with hundreds of cruise missiles/drone strikes/guided missiles leveling the artillery lines before NK even knows the first one is destroyed.

The most dangerous of their long standing capability to bombard Seoul I believe is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koksan_(artillery) the dug in placements have hardened concrete bunkers (dug in under the berms) plus they'd move them about to make them less of a static target, the active firing position employs berms with reverse slope to reduce vulnerability to counter battery fire and being self-propelled they can move them into a new position should things kick off. On the other hand they'd have problems bringing them forward (which also reduces the effectiveness of their shorter range systems) as the US and SK likely have the whole DMZ, etc. pre-mapped for firing solutions.

EDIT: Drones would probably be the most effective against these as NK doesn't have particularly good anti-drone capabilities and hellfire missiles, etc. can punch through the light armour on self-propelled artillery which would stand up fairly well to all but the most direct cruise missile hits.

 

[Roar87]

No reason to go nuclear on them if collateral damage is acceptable - high volume cruise, etc. attacks would largely work as well. Though still the issue of dealing with their massed artillery pointing at SK in a timely fashion.

Tactical nuclear weapons are the only option left, how else are you going to take them out before they fire everything they have?

 

[braveheart]

nuclear test that went into tunnel that would cause earthquake crust to shaking again.. it send shockwave that will be other earthquake in the far east soon... it has to stop and save the earth crust from damage... every countries should dump all weapons and save money to build for the future..

 

[Rroff]

Tactical nuclear weapons are the only option left, how else are you going to take them out before they fire everything they have?

Problem is the distance to SK even tactical weapons would be difficult to use without significant impact and IIRC the only real active tactical versions the US has in any number are the configurable B-61 gravity bombs which are still kind of large on most settings for the proximities involved (and the lowest yield settings would probably need a lot of them to get the job done).

I suspect the best chances are massed drone and A-10 runs (which probably have some survivability in this situation) but even then they aren't going to get them all in one pass.

 

[Roar87]

Problem is the distance to SK even tactical weapons would be difficult to use without significant impact and IIRC the only real active tactical versions the US has in any number are the configurable B-61 gravity bombs which are still kind of large on most settings for the proximities involved (and the lowest yield settings would probably need a lot of them to get the job done).

I suspect the best chances are massed drone and A-10 runs (which probably have some survivability in this situation) but even then they aren't going to get them all in one pass.

Drones maybe, A-10's are tank busters and close fire support. If you don't use tactical nuclear weapons then you use B-2's, F-18's and B-52's with hundreds of cruise missiles.

 

[rebel rebel]

Once the North Koreans announce they have a trident like system in place, all this talk of attacking them and assassinating their leader will stop. The world has left it too late imo.

 

[Rroff]

Drones maybe, A-10's are tank busters and close fire support. If you don't use tactical nuclear weapons then you use B-2's, F-18's and B-52's with hundreds of cruise missiles.

They'd be good against the 70% or so of their artillery which is towed - but the stuff that is really dangerous is much more mobile and better able to take non-direct hits and would require stuff like drones and A-10s to take out - in Iraq, etc. they used Apaches, etc. but NK would be much better able to deal with helicopters.

EDIT: What the US needs to do hehe is buy a **** load of Brimstone missiles - they can be pretty much configured to search out and destroy that kind of artillery autonomously

Once the North Koreans announce they have a trident like system in place, all this talk of attacking them and assassinating their leader will stop. The world has left it too late imo.

AFAIK they are a long way from a submarine platform capable of a missile like that - their current subs are mostly short range diesel jobs and very easy to detect - even their newest supposedly ballistic missile submarine(s).

 

[rebel rebel]

AFAIK they are a long way from a submarine platform capable of a missile like that - their current subs are mostly short range diesel jobs and very easy to detect - even their newest supposedly ballistic missile submarine(s).

They do have a large submarine fleet though, so surely they have thought about having this option. Does a nuclear missile launched from a submerged vessel on a suicide mission have to go up that far?

 

[Rroff]

They do have a large submarine fleet though, so surely they have thought about having this option. Does a nuclear missile launched from a submerged vessel on a suicide mission have to go up that far?

No not far but AFAIK they have nothing even close to stealth capable and you can bet the US is tracking them - wouldn't get remotely near a target.

EDIT: That said the US navy seems to struggle with tracking large merchant vessels though so who knows :s

 

[IronWarrior]

Sources are saying that South Korea has risen it's military alert level. All troops are on high alert.

 

[Rroff]

Sources are saying that South Korea has risen it's military alert level. All troops are on high alert.

Apparently a couple of days ago NK high command were pretty much committed to war and telling their soldiers to requistition supplies especially food by any means possible and that any that weren't upto fitness due to being hungry would be executed but then telling them anyone caught stealing would be executed as well :s

 

[rebel rebel]

No not far but AFAIK they have nothing even close to stealth capable and you can bet the US is tracking them - wouldn't get remotely near a target.

EDIT: That said the US navy seems to struggle with tracking large merchant vessels though so who knows :s

When you use sonar to track other submarines you reveal your location, so as far as I can tell most subs drift about not knowing exactly where the enemy is for fear of the enemy finding out they're there. I'm not sure the US can track all of the submarines from say Russia, China and Nk. Of course in the situation I've mentioned only North Korea are a threat.

 

[Tefal]

When you use sonar to track other submarines you reveal your location, so as far as I can tell most subs drift about not knowing exactly where the enemy is for fear of the enemy finding out they're there. I'm not sure the US can track all of the submarines from say Russia, China and Nk. Of course in the situation I've mentioned only North Korea are a threat.

does it really matter if the ballistic sub knows where the attack sub following it is for a short time?

 

[4K8KW10]

Guys, I have a good idea, literally a good one.

Instead of throwing a good amount of black magic in the form of numerous bombs, missiles, etc, maybe white magic will do it better?
How about "washing the brains" of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and making him friendly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment
How about to gather financial aids from all over the world, and in return to transform North Korea into a peaceful country, without any military?

 

[rebel rebel]

does it really matter if the ballistic sub knows where the attack sub following it is for a short time?

Not if it's on a suicide mission. Russian subs are always in sneaking into UK waters. It would be quite easy for one of them to attack us if it wanted to. Whats stopping a NK submarine doing the same?