Man of Honour
So you think this didn't actually happen?
Norwegian rape victim sentenced to 1 year and 4 months of prison in Dubai for sex outside of marriag
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So you think this didn't actually happen?
Soldato
I'm not a proponent of cultural relativism or cultural respect.
If a practice causes objective measurable human suffering with no net human benefit then it should be questioned & challenged.
This isn't a cases of "my culture vs another culture" - this is a case of a reasoned morality built around a measurable framework VS an unguided one, just to clarify - I'm not saying we have that here either, just some parts of the world are ahead further in some areas & behind in others.
This is why things like laws needs to be grounded within an objective rational frame-work, otherwise you get frankly absurd laws based on personal opinion.
I don't like people being overly affectionate in public, but that's just my opinion - my opinion should never be used as a club to beat down others by making my opinion into law (which is what this kind of thing is) - society should not seek to legislate personal choice where no harm is objectively caused (regardless of geographical location).
I would be a hypocrite if I supported gay rights here, but ignored the abuse of rights around the world (usually at the determent to women or homosexuals) just because "that's how they do things" - that is no justification for anything.
The fact these people are a distance away on a map, or reside within a different bit of our planet makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever.
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Soldato
That will teach her not to get raped again!
Soldato
Asking for it by being female tbh
Soldato
Ones that following backwark mediaeval religions.
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going to be cracking one out to shoulder porn tonight me!
LOL BURST OUT LAUGHING
Your choice of pic for that comment sir judges score you 10/10/10/9.9
Holding hands with gf?
You are under the thumb homeslice, suggest you buck your act up.
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Wow, did you even read your links - you've just quoted 3 cut and paste stories which have no substance to them and the same source for information. The source being the source that confirmed he didn't really know anything.
How ironic you saying other people are 'backwards' with that post. I would suspect they would say you were 'remedial'.
I have not said that as you would have realised if you had of read my posts. If you want to make a strawman argument knock yourself out.
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Yes, it is because you are judging them based upon a framework that comes from "our" culture. In the past 20 years, we've seen the cultures you do not see as "backwards" propagate terror and violence across the globe, sell billions of arms to regimes who are just plain evil, are led by a country that not only starts wars in other countries for financial gain but also decided to pull the rug on one of its own cities when it got flooded, said county also has a severely punitive penal system, a culture of sexual violence in its best universities, has rampant and unadulterated gun crime, our country is populated by the most watched and spied upon citizens in the world, etc etc.
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Everyone in Dubai is wealthy? Even the hookers and labourers who are basically slaves?lol, yes Britain is 3rd world. It's going to be some **** storm when the oil money dries up
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html
Wow, interesting read,
Why does it not surprise me? Just seems like a place filled with ****** people. Even If I had an "Ethiopian slave girl" I'd still pay her fair wage and make her work normal hours for me? Just having a maid is a bonus in itself. I don't understand other human beings that mistreat others? I hope this race gets wiped out... maybe i'm old fashioned cause I'm not some piece of trash who thinks they are upper class because of money and mistreats others.
Firstly, this story does seem to be "real".
Sadly, this is the risk you take when travelling to what is essentially a backwards, ridiculous, barbaric country, that has thrown a crazy amount of money into producing a front for their pathetic laws and culture.
The woman was on a business trip though, so it isn't as if she chose to go there on holiday. I certainly wouldn't ever go to one of these backwards muslim countries.
You'd certainly hope they can get her out of the country, I mean what kind of godless savages jail someone for being raped. It's a disgrace.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/07/18/nyheter/utenriks/voldtekt/28258993/
The appeal will likely fail, surely Norway should just smuggle her out of the country somehow.
Sadly, this is the risk you take when travelling to what is essentially a backwards, ridiculous, barbaric country, that has thrown a crazy amount of money into producing a front for their pathetic laws and culture.
The woman was on a business trip though, so it isn't as if she chose to go there on holiday. I certainly wouldn't ever go to one of these backwards muslim countries.
You'd certainly hope they can get her out of the country, I mean what kind of godless savages jail someone for being raped. It's a disgrace.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/07/18/nyheter/utenriks/voldtekt/28258993/
The appeal will likely fail, surely Norway should just smuggle her out of the country somehow.
Xordium please, this isn't about how evil America or Britain are, I have no idea why you're even bringing that up in this thread.
Answer me a question, do you agree that we should have a law prohibiting sex before marriage? Do you agree with the other clearly anti-female laws that exist in many muslim states? Would you like to see them enacted in Britain?
I really don't understand how you can argue that we should stand idly by and watch without complaint as laws like these, designed to abuse women are enacted and enforced day after day in other countries. You cannot just say "It's their culture let them do what they want". It violates the rights of human beings and as such they make it our business, whether or not any of the governments of the civilised world will stand up to the people upholding these backwards laws is another question.
And yes I just used the backwards description again, because it's the most accurate way of describing these laws without resorting to vulgarisms.
Forget for a second your clear bias against all things western and just examine the matter as it stands that women who are raped in these countries cannot report the crime or else they will be jailed themselves, and if you do not believe this case then there are several other documented cases of this happening to western citizens and the same thing happens every day to women who do not have a voice on the worlds stage provided to them by their citizenship.
If you bothered to read the conversation I am having with Elmarko on one particular point then you'd know.
And read them properly as you will note that I have not said half the stuff you are rambling on about. Could have saved yourself some time. But if you just want to say your piece then go ahead just don't do it in reaction to something I have never said.
Soldato
Did you actually read my post?.
Previous post a few pages back.
I'm not basing it on my own national culture (UK in this case) as it fails in different ways on my own "objective harm causing" criteria - to give another example, the US is backwards regarding evolution & climate change (behind the rest of the developed world).
The west is better for equal rights for women & homosexuals, but the USA/UK is worse for others things - I don't think I'm being impartial, as I'm the least nationalistic person I know.
In a thread about the supposed imprisonment of a rape victim, I'm going to be judging based on the subject matter at hand - if I was posting in a thread about illegal arms sales or imperialism I would be posting about the US/UK.
I know what point you are trying to make & in part I agree with you (regarding the fact that they are not alone in being backwards, not that they are not backwards in this way), but you are arguing against a position I don't actually hold.
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But you did initially express with the wording of your post which was why I questioned it. We hold the same position. When you say "backwards countries" one assume you mean the whole country rather than "backward women's rights and judicial processes". In future I will note when you broadly describe things it is related it specific only to the subject thread. But what you are examining by is a very "Western" process.
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Man of Honour
I didn't make anything, I just asked a question
What did you mean by the post I quoted if it wasn't that?
FWIW I don't need to create a fallacious position against you in this thread
