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There was a big thread about it on guru or overclock and people were reporting large gains with it on. Can't find the thread now, but loads of people were saying it.
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There was a big thread about it on guru or overclock and people were reporting large gains with it on. Can't find the thread now, but loads of people were saying it.
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This, although it's an exaggeration, it's all relative. I'm not talking crashes/bugs, as they're about equal on that (although I did lose count of the amount of DX10/11 titles which refused to run at 60hz on any driver revision @1080p, on both my 5870 and 6970).
Forceware has had pre-built application profiles inside the control panel since, let's see.. 2003? Ish? CCC still doesn't have that.
Until AMD cards have the full functionality of Nvidia Inspector; AA bits, SLI bits, etc. in some form or other (RadeonPro doesn't even begin to come close) I won't even give them a look. You get what you pay for, at the end of the day. Not going to go bashing AMD owners but that's the way it is.
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Ive gone back and forth allot, from my experience;
Nvidia cards generally have better drivers for all games, including old games on new cards, and can feel a little smoother on some games.
AMD cards have better colour. I know it sounds strange but from someone thats gone back and forth allot its clear AMD have a better colour pallet and you cant change Nvidia's card settings to match without losing collaberation. AMD also have better picture quality and SSAA
In a perfect world I would have an card with Nvidias drivers and AMD's picture quality
Nvidia cards generally have better drivers for all games, including old games on new cards, and can feel a little smoother on some games.
AMD cards have better colour. I know it sounds strange but from someone thats gone back and forth allot its clear AMD have a better colour pallet and you cant change Nvidia's card settings to match without losing collaberation. AMD also have better picture quality and SSAA
In a perfect world I would have an card with Nvidias drivers and AMD's picture quality
Caporegime
Having had nvidia and AMD GPU's for 20 years i have never once come across such an issue as refusing to run a 60Hz, ever.
Its also the first time i have ever seem anything like it being said.
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That's impressive, considering GPUs have only been around for 13 years 
24hz was forced at 1080p via HDMI in:
LA Noire, DX11
Crysis, DX10
Crysis 2, DX11
Gears of War, DX10
Resident Evil 5, DX10
There are others, but those are the ones I specifically remember.
The "GPU scaling" tickbox in CCC was supposed to fix the problem, but that functionality would work in one driver revision and be broken in the next. There were workarounds, but it was seriously annoying to have to deal with. In fact, the entire HDMI underscan/overscan slider was broken in certain driver revisions, with it resetting on a reboot.
24hz was forced at 1080p via HDMI in:
LA Noire, DX11
Crysis, DX10
Crysis 2, DX11
Gears of War, DX10
Resident Evil 5, DX10
There are others, but those are the ones I specifically remember.
The "GPU scaling" tickbox in CCC was supposed to fix the problem, but that functionality would work in one driver revision and be broken in the next. There were workarounds, but it was seriously annoying to have to deal with. In fact, the entire HDMI underscan/overscan slider was broken in certain driver revisions, with it resetting on a reboot.
Caporegime
I had Crysis, never had any problems with it of any sort on a 5770 or a 6950.
Still have Crysis Warhead and thats the same on the 7870.
Still have Crysis Warhead and thats the same on the 7870.
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Caporegime
Yeah, just read a few of those. its a Crysis game problem that occurs when using HDMI and DX10, the issue is easily fixed.
way #1 switch to DX11
or #2, in CCC, HDTV force to 1080p60 Standard.
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It does now.
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Likewise.
Not that strange most people with experience of both notice that the colors on nVidia look a little desaturated whereas ATI/AMD have more a little more vibrant colors without becoming over-saturated.
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And thats the problem as people cling to the personal experience at the time and unaware of change and again generalising and keep thinking that there issue is also everyone else's, so they switch brands don't have as many issues personally and again apply that generally and that everyone on that brand must be having the same experience.
Personal experience can not be applied to the brand generally unless that's the general experience.
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Be more patronising please. I still own the 5870 and 6970, thank you very much, and they still see regular use by my family.
The 24hz/50hz bug is totally reproducible, and seems to still be happening in the latest driver releases, judging by the number of threads popping up over the internet. And no, it's not just Crysis.
It does? My CCC (12.6) doesn't include a list of games for which you can edit AA, AF, Vsync, Transparency AA, etc. You can add executables, and customise the settings for them, sure, but the functionality is half-baked at best compared to the competition. If they have added it, great. It's only the best part of a decade too late. Perhaps by 2020 there'll be an equivalent to Nvidia Inspector.
The 24hz/50hz bug is totally reproducible, and seems to still be happening in the latest driver releases, judging by the number of threads popping up over the internet. And no, it's not just Crysis.
It does? My CCC (12.6) doesn't include a list of games for which you can edit AA, AF, Vsync, Transparency AA, etc. You can add executables, and customise the settings for them, sure, but the functionality is half-baked at best compared to the competition. If they have added it, great. It's only the best part of a decade too late. Perhaps by 2020 there'll be an equivalent to Nvidia Inspector.
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There is nothing patronising about my post and your reply is reinforcing what i have just said.
If they all have there PCs hocked up to multi brands of HD TV and they are all exhibiting the issue then that's another thing.
Both AMD and NV have compatibility issues with some HD TVs.
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Im going to test this tomorrow as i have my monitor connected via HDMI, does it happen on the first Crysis or just the 2nd?
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Which is a 3rd party App, just like Radeonpro.
And as far as CCC goes it does include a list of games for which you can edit AA, AF, Vsync, Transparency AA, etc and you can add it for games not in the profile list.
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Both.
http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=32846
http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=33374
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1955171
Can just google it if you want, it's a problem with the DX10/11 API, happens to both manufacturers' cards. The reasons I chose this issue to highlight the disparity in quality between camps' drivers are 1) The effect on gameplay is huge, 2) AMD have failed to consistently (not consistently failed - it worked in one or two beta driver sets) fix it.
Yes, it is. Except Nvidia Inspector is just displaying hidden advanced settings within Nvidia drivers, rather than adding an entirely new functionality to them, which is why no service or exe needs to be running in the background.
http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=32846
http://www.mycrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=33374
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1955171
Can just google it if you want, it's a problem with the DX10/11 API, happens to both manufacturers' cards. The reasons I chose this issue to highlight the disparity in quality between camps' drivers are 1) The effect on gameplay is huge, 2) AMD have failed to consistently (not consistently failed - it worked in one or two beta driver sets) fix it.
Yes, it is. Except Nvidia Inspector is just displaying hidden advanced settings within Nvidia drivers, rather than adding an entirely new functionality to them, which is why no service or exe needs to be running in the background.
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Well you have highlighted that issue and as you said on both brands but the same can be said for issues that NV have that they still have not fixed but are not an issue for AMD. its just all down to the individual as to which issue is more of a problem for them personally.
We could both go on indefinitely highlighting specific brand issues and claim this is the more damning based on personal preference.
I personally have not had that issue in that game.
http://forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1154555-AMD-ATI-drivers-VS-nvidia-drivers
Nvidia Inspector, CCC, Radeonpro: I don't think most people care of how its done under the hood as long as it works.
I'm not trying to claim one brand is better than the other, its just personal experience can mean that one is better for that individual based on there own experience and timing.
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Off goes Final8y with his tangential posting again