NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

JediFragger · 8 Jun 2020 at 19:02

Ezyryder said:
Is there any solid evidence ever that a future product will be much faster than the previous one? This information is always kept secret, for good reasons.

Exactly, he’s taking rumours as fact and wrongly stating them as solid evidence! Just vexes next a wee bit.

tyler_jrb · 8 Jun 2020 at 20:40

Ezyryder said:
personally I see nVidia struggling with next gen, even if their parts have got more features. Reason, they are not on any of the big consoles, and AMD are putting a lot of work to make sure that the console hardware can easily be ported to their PC parts so RDNA2 might be the default platform for a few years which might mean that if their featuret isn't there it won't be implemented in large scale (I am thinking DLSS 2.0). A game dev is going to think, I only need to do this once (PS5,XBX and AMD PC), why should I bother spending 100s of dev work to make sure the feature works in your specialist hardware?

Because nvidia is the number 1 currently in the gpu market and in the gaming market.

Devs can’t afford to not optimise/develop for pcs and nvidia in general. Considering more users today are using pc than ever before and far more than current people on console.

melmac said:
Look, I hope AMD knock it out of the Park I really do. But, if they want to win back market share, they can't be just decent GPUs. Their GPUs have to be better than Nvidia's and they have to get the Launch perfect. No crap with drivers or bad coolers or poor power consumption.

If they don't get it right, then it doesn't matter how good RDNA2 cards will eventually become or what price they are, People will buy the Nvidia card.

And they don't just have to do this once. If they really want to win back market share they will have to have a series of consistently good product launches.

For me I can and I can’t see it. I want them to win to drive prices down in general. However, Nvidia have DLSS 2.0 and already that is a huge success with better visuals for less power, it will only get better with time. AMD won’t have anything as good. Then RTX. It’s unlikely AMD will have something on rdna2 that can even compete with current gen nvidia never mind ampere.

The only thing that will allow them to win is both general performance and price. But even then if nvidia’s RTX/DLSS performance is there next gen, most would pay a little extra to have its features. So it really needs to be something special for AMD to win and let’s face it, Nvidia aren’t Intel and they will be prepared.

Chuk_Chuk · 8 Jun 2020 at 20:56

tyler_jrb said:
Because nvidia is the number 1 currently in the gpu market and in the gaming market.

Devs can’t afford to not optimise/develop for pcs and nvidia in general. Considering more users today are using pc than ever before and far more than current people on console.

I seem to remember someone on the internet (very trustworthy i know), saying that Nvidia does most of the optimisation themselves and don't really on developers due to the black box nature of their stuff.

Anyone know if this is valid?

varkanoid · 8 Jun 2020 at 21:05

Kaapstad said:
They probably would if it was genuine, it was pointed out on another forum that the fans were not real and could not work.

I also pointed that out too in here.

BigBANGtheory · 8 Jun 2020 at 21:30

JediFragger said:
No solid evidence that I've seen? Only seems to be whispers and rumour atm (Youtubers etc)

you missed it then cos when the Chief Architect of Sony PlayStation talks about 2.2GHz clockspeed on a known CU count with a easily discernible die size you can take raw RDNA1 numbers from Navi as is and see that what's coming....

Those aren't rumours they are known quantities just like you wanting Nvidia GPUs to increase in price (which is borderline insane btw but I might have missed the point on that)

BigBANGtheory · 8 Jun 2020 at 21:39

tyler_jrb said:
So it really needs to be something special for AMD to win and let’s face it, Nvidia aren’t Intel and they will be prepared.

On that we agree, AMD need the raw perf and price to embarrass Nvidia not simply under cut them by a few %

Was going to respond to Melmac's post but am convinced he's arguing for the sake of argument now.

Jacky60 · 8 Jun 2020 at 21:49

varkanoid said:
oh yeah the bottom one has the backside up - is it me or are those fans on the same way round, ie the curve is on the outside. Surely one should be outter curve and one is inner curve ? look at the bottom fan the bottom 5 fins are curved inward and the top 4 find look like they are curved outward ? Compare the lighting on the top and bottom fan the top one looks all the same but the bottom one looks different top half but same bottom half. Also look at the video at 57 seconds it shows the front and back fans the same way round so to me they are either both pushing or both pulling (cant remember which way round is which). I would have expected them to be push/pull or pull/push ?

Well there are fins in the middle between the two fans so it's a push me pull you card designed by Dr Doolittle. Possibly

Jacky60 · 8 Jun 2020 at 21:57

varkanoid said:
oh yeah the bottom one has the backside up - is it me or are those fans on the same way round, ie the curve is on the outside. Surely one should be outter curve and one is inner curve ? look at the bottom fan the bottom 5 fins are curved inward and the top 4 find look like they are curved outward ? Compare the lighting on the top and bottom fan the top one looks all the same but the bottom one looks different top half but same bottom half. Also look at the video at 57 seconds it shows the front and back fans the same way round so to me they are either both pushing or both pulling (cant remember which way round is which). I would have expected them to be push/pull or pull/push ?

On a more serious note isn't one fan a high static pressure fan and one a higher speed/air flow fan from comparing to the dozens of excess unused fans I have cluttering up my flat. I'd Imagine one blows air out the case like a normal blower while the other cools the memory and exhausts up or down (or possibly all around :cool:

).

Jacky60 · 8 Jun 2020 at 22:01

Mensy said:
Can the 2080ti do 4k ultra settings at 60fps on AAA titles without RTX ?

No

JediFragger · 8 Jun 2020 at 22:14

BigBANGtheory said:
you missed it then cos when the Chief Architect of Sony PlayStation talks about 2.2GHz clockspeed on a known CU count with a easily discernible die size you can take raw RDNA1 numbers from Navi as is and see that what's coming....

That's not 'evidence' that's again just speculation! All I'm asking is that you clearly differentiate between what is actual fact and what is conjecture/rumour.

bru · 8 Jun 2020 at 22:20

Actual facts..... we don't know diddly.

keyser · 8 Jun 2020 at 22:36

Yeah although I do enjoy Moore's Law is Dead channel I don't subscribe/follow, as its just speculation talk, something to do until the actual reviews get here.

Grim5 · 8 Jun 2020 at 23:03

Random Guy Esq. · 8 Jun 2020 at 23:48

Speaking of conjecture!

BigBANGtheory · 9 Jun 2020 at 08:27

JediFragger said:
That's not 'evidence' that's again just speculation! All I'm asking is that you clearly differentiate between what is actual fact and what is conjecture/rumour.

Yeah I understand you want a reliable source to benchmark the hardware and you’re not likely to see that until it becomes expedient for either party. What I’m saying is there are some tangible facts around the hardware already, not enough to say exactly what the parts are but enough to say with certainty that RDNA 2 is decent and not a bag of rusty spanner’s

Grim5 · 9 Jun 2020 at 09:11

FYI: Igor's lab says the leak is 100% real, that is a real RTX3080 cooler and Nvidia is ******. The company that are builds Nvidia's coolers(Build Your Dreams) is now under investigation to find who there leaked it.

It's supposed to be real hush hush at this stage, even Nvidia sales managers have not yet been shown what the GPU looks like, so this leak is extremely fresh and someone at BYD is gonna get fired).

https://www.igorslab.de/exklusive-i...hler-fuer-die-fe-und-die-suche-nach-dem-leak/

varkanoid · 9 Jun 2020 at 09:22

According to that article the FE has the cut out for the cooler but the ones for Board Partners will be the regular rectangle shape. They also claim cost of the FE cooler is $150USD.

scubes · 9 Jun 2020 at 09:34

varkanoid said:
According to that article the FE has the cut out for the cooler but the ones for Board Partners will be the regular rectangle shape. They also claim cost of the FE cooler is $150USD.

Thats to bump the ££££ up lol.

varkanoid · 9 Jun 2020 at 09:53

Wouldnt be surprised but I have a feeling it was plucked out of the air. Photos leaked yeah but no mention of any documentation showing costs someones just worked out how much the cooler would cost just by looking at it and given an estimate. Considering you could get a Next G12 and AIO cooler for less than that retail plus an AC Xtreme iV for a 2080ti is £56.99 retail and very good at cooling I cant see it being $150 USD more like $50 USD.

LoadsaMoney · 9 Jun 2020 at 10:18

Price of a card just for the cooler, get yer wallets oot lads n lasses!