Objections to Keir Starmer as PM?

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So far I've not seen any Labour MP agree that the license fee should be scrapped, even though it hits the more poorest in society the hardest - especially those on a fixed income.

The ones objecting seem to be more interested in the BBC than they do about the people paying the fee, and having an orcastrated tweet campaign on twitter by BBC millionaire personalities telling us how great the BBC is, is missing the point.
 
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Lots of people don't pay it anyway, especially students watching iPlayer.

People don't have to have a TV at all, lots of people just opt for streaming services now. Watching TV is not a human right lol.

The BBC should probably just move over to a subscription service in the next few years, with different tiers. Otherwise, we'll just be left with just BBC One, or nothing at all if the Tories get their way.
 
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So far I've not seen any Labour MP agree that the license fee should be scrapped, even though it hits the more poorest in society the hardest - especially those on a fixed income.

The ones objecting seem to be more interested in the BBC than they do about the people paying the fee, and having an orcastrated tweet campaign on twitter by BBC millionaire personalities telling us how great the BBC is, is missing the point.

I've seen plenty of them saying you could move it in to general taxation and then the poorer pay less and the richer pay more...
 
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Is the BBC license fee TV licence or something different?

It is a general TV licence fee. It goes into the general taxation pot and most gets returned to the BBC. Some of that money the BBC gets is for radio like the UK's propaganda wing, the World Service. Some is used for training journalists. The BBC does not get all of it but The BBC has annoyed the Tories by showing that Brexit is not at all wonderful. Also Murdoch hates the BBC so effectively saying the BBC has a few years left they hope it will please Murdoch so his rags will write nice things about BoZo.
 
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It is a general TV licence fee. It goes into the general taxation pot and most gets returned to the BBC. Some of that money the BBC gets is for radio like the UK's propaganda wing, the World Service. Some is used for training journalists. The BBC does not get all of it but The BBC has annoyed the Tories by showing that Brexit is not at all wonderful. Also Murdoch hates the BBC so effectively saying the BBC has a few years left they hope it will please Murdoch so his rags will write nice things about BoZo.

Thanks. Can this still go ahead if other parties are against it?
 
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It is a general TV licence fee. It goes into the general taxation pot and most gets returned to the BBC. Some of that money the BBC gets is for radio like the UK's propaganda wing, the World Service. Some is used for training journalists. The BBC does not get all of it but The BBC has annoyed the Tories by showing that Brexit is not at all wonderful. Also Murdoch hates the BBC so effectively saying the BBC has a few years left they hope it will please Murdoch so his rags will write nice things about BoZo.

That is probably why Labour are now all for the BBC.

They are getting entangled in to a reaction argument and seem to have forgot that the lower income families struggle to afford the tv license. As well as a possible jail sentence if they can't pay the fine.
 
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That is probably why Labour are now all for the BBC.

They are getting entangled in to a reaction argument and seem to have forgot that the lower income families struggle to afford the tv license. As well as a possible jail sentence if they can't pay the fine.

Labour have always been all for the BBC. They're not simply a single issue party; and the Labour solution to this supposed problem is always to improve the conditions of lower income families rather than sack off a great national institution. Honestly, it's deeply hypocritical of anyone who has backed the Tories to claim that low income is a reason when the Tories have done so much to hurt lower income groups.
 
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Weird how the government seem so concerned about the affect the TV license will have on the poorest, but not their own tax rise in April...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58436009

There are concerns that the increase will have a higher impact on the lower-paid.

Currently workers pay 12% National Insurance on earnings between £9,564 and £50,268. However, anything earned above this amount attracts a rate of just 2%.

Consequently as your income rises above £50,000, National Insurance becomes a smaller and smaller proportion of your wage packet.
 
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Labour have always been all for the BBC. They're not simply a single issue party; and the Labour solution to this supposed problem is always to improve the conditions of lower income families rather than sack off a great national institution. Honestly, it's deeply hypocritical of anyone who has backed the Tories to claim that low income is a reason when the Tories have done so much to hurt lower income groups.
That is all OK assuming future generations are going to buy a TV licence. Evidence suggests they are increasingly less likely to. The BBC will need to become less dependant on the model, currently 75% of its income. The solution is to fund the public information duty from taxation and let the BBC work in the commercial sphere for their sport, drama etc., and see how good they are.
 
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That is all OK assuming future generations are going to buy a TV licence. Evidence suggests they are increasingly less likely to. The BBC will need to become less dependant on the model, currently 75% of its income. The solution is to fund the public information duty from taxation and let the BBC work in the commercial sphere for their sport, drama etc., and see how good they are.

Given free reign I'd change the license to be a "public broadcasting fee" paid with council tax and set at a suitable % of said tax. That way, it is collected from everyone, partially progressive, tied in to existing low income support mechanisms, and doesn't need separate enforcement.

It is vitally important the commercial tail is not allowed to wag the public service dog.
 
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Given free reign I'd change the license to be a "public broadcasting fee" paid with council tax and set at a suitable % of said tax. That way, it is collected from everyone, partially progressive, tied in to existing low income support mechanisms, and doesn't need separate enforcement.

It is vitally important the commercial tail is not allowed to wag the public service dog.
This is the wrong thread as there is a perfectly good other one, but, once upon a time the BBC was set up as a public service broadcaster in the days of one or two channels. It provided some entertainment, variety, sport, drama in very limited hours per day. As it was a startup and as it became more affordable, every household soon had a set and paid their TV licence fee as well.
Now we have 24 hour news and BBC radio channels competing with each other and BBC TV to provide it. We have pages of internet, we have many channels if commercial competition worldwide. The BBC expects to provide all this from a fee imposed on the public.
 
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Yeah tbf, this has little to do with Labour / Keir Starmer, it's entirely to do with the government's apparent desire to undermine and degrade the BBC (rather than suggest an alternative funding model).
 
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Labour have always been all for the BBC. They're not simply a single issue party; and the Labour solution to this supposed problem is always to improve the conditions of lower income families rather than sack off a great national institution. Honestly, it's deeply hypocritical of anyone who has backed the Tories to claim that low income is a reason when the Tories have done so much to hurt lower income groups.

I think you're falling in to the reactionary trap of opposing something just because the Tories are in favour of it.
 
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It is a general TV licence fee. It goes into the general taxation pot and most gets returned to the BBC. Some of that money the BBC gets is for radio like the UK's propaganda wing, the World Service. Some is used for training journalists. The BBC does not get all of it but The BBC has annoyed the Tories by showing that Brexit is not at all wonderful. Also Murdoch hates the BBC so effectively saying the BBC has a few years left they hope it will please Murdoch so his rags will write nice things about BoZo.
It also funds S4C the welsh language channel in Wales which everyone likes to forget about.
 
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Weird how the government seem so concerned about the affect the TV license will have on the poorest, but not their own tax rise in April...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58436009
They also don't care about the massive cost of living crisis which they are doing nothing about and have greatly exacerbated with their Brexit, this will start hitting us very hard in a few months. They say the market will sort it out, well the market has failed in great part due to their decisions to get rid of our gas storage facilities and make us very dependent on gas imports while putting in trade barriers and red tape while taking us out of the EU Internal Energy Market which means even higher prices for us than our European neighbours.

They have also been slow in moving us away from fossil fuels and towards nuclear and renewable energy. Of course the government are making us pay for their actions and lack of responsibility as usual.

People are losing their jobs already: OVO Energy are closing seven out of their ten offices due to the energy crisis and letting everyone go, many energy companies have gone bust in the UK and more may well follow, I'm not aware of this happening on the continent.
 
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