October Upgrade - Spec me - ~£1500

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Looking at getting a new rig next month, budget around 1500, bit over is fine, under is welcome too!

I usually go with intel/nvidia. Dont need a case, perephials, monitors or storage hdds. Am interested in getting a m.2 or whatever is the current go to OS drive. Though last i heard they had issues with heat?

Uses : Gaming, Media/Browsing, and some video editing - in that order

I do need a copy of windows

Currently use 2x1920x1200 60hz monitors but planning to upgrade to 4k or 144hz, or both
 
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If it is fine for you, I'd recommend AMD/AMD now.
The MSI motherboard has two M.2 slots with shield for better cooling of the M.2 SSDs.

Ryzen 7 1700
MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
RX Vega 56
Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2
2 x 8GB DDR4 3200
 
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Things we need to know:

For what will the system be used?

Which monitor/s will be used? Any Gsync/Freesync?

And which case will it all go into?

Intel have strongly hinted at October for their new 6-core/12-thread mainstream i7 (Coffee Lake).
 
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Another option with 12-core/24-thread CPU monster and with weaker graphics card is:

Ryzen Threadripper Twelve Core 1920X 4.00GHz (Socket TR4) Processor
X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC AMD X399 (Socket TR4) ATX Motherboard or X399 Taichi AMD X399 (Socket TR4) ATX Motherboard
Radeon RX 560 4GB GDDR5
Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2
2 x 8GB DDR4 3200

I think it will fit in the budget.
 
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Another option with 12-core/24-thread CPU monster and with weaker graphics card is:

Ryzen Threadripper Twelve Core 1920X 4.00GHz (Socket TR4) Processor
X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC AMD X399 (Socket TR4) ATX Motherboard or X399 Taichi AMD X399 (Socket TR4) ATX Motherboard
Radeon RX 560 4GB GDDR5
Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2
2 x 8GB DDR4 3200

I think it will fit in the budget.

That is pretty awful (Assuming he wants a gaming pc).
 
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Yeah.

Main usage is gaming, followed up by media and browsing.
Planning to get more into video editing, but by far main use is gaming at the moment.

I use 2 1920x1200 IPS screens but I'm either going to get a high refresh monitor or high res one sometime after getting the PC, or both(high refresh for competitive and high res for other games).


I just saw OC3D's news about coffee lake too ( https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp..._to_launch_in_early_october_-_leaked_prices/1 )
No actual stats yet? Do we have any idea when they might get out to reviewers?


Oh also i'm using a Bitfenix Shinobi XL
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...l-full-tower-gaming-case-black-cm-194-tl.html
This case minus the noise dampening
 
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If gaming is 90% of what you do, get coffee lake. If you have a more balanced workload where multi-threaded is key, consider a Ryzen 1700. Both options are similarly priced, with the Ryzen chip being somewhat cheaper.
It's 6c/12t vs 8c/16t with Intel having the higher overclockability and stock clocks and an advantage in gaming, but 2 less cores.

You will have to OC the 1700. You won't have to OC the 8700K as its fast as hell out of the box. But it's still an option to OC if you want insane speeds.

Also with Ryzen you need 3200Mhz RAM for best results which can require significant screwing around in BIOS. With Intel, you can get faster RAM than that, set XMP in bios, and away you go. Intel has better memory controller. There is a chance you'll get a 1700 with a ballin' memory controller and you can set 3200Mhz in bios and go, but its hit and miss.
 
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If gaming is 90% of what you do, get coffee lake. If you have a more balanced workload where multi-threaded is key, consider a Ryzen 1700. Both options are similarly priced, with the Ryzen chip being somewhat cheaper.
It's 6c/12t vs 8c/16t with Intel having the higher overclockability and stock clocks and an advantage in gaming, but 2 less cores.

You will have to OC the 1700. You won't have to OC the 8700K as its fast as hell out of the box. But it's still an option to OC if you want insane speeds.

Also with Ryzen you need 3200Mhz RAM for best results which can require significant screwing around in BIOS. With Intel, you can get faster RAM than that, set XMP in bios, and away you go. Intel has better memory controller. There is a chance you'll get a 1700 with a ballin' memory controller and you can set 3200Mhz in bios and go, but its hit and miss.

Whats with it needing specifically 3200mhz ram?


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Finding it a bit odd that these are all the same price, also heard there have been thermal issues with the latest chips? I'm quite keen to overclock, so I'm wondering/hoping coffee lake is better
 
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If you buy a decent motherboard and quality Samsung b-die ram like the 8 pack memory I have it will run at 3200 or more without problems. Mine runs at 3466 c15 and is completely stable. Unlike intel , ryzen cpu performance is linked to ram speed.

Hynix based ram does not work as well with ryzen. I had corsair lpx 3200 ram before on same motherboard which was only stable at 2933.

I would wait for the coffee lake reviews and see what you think. On bf1 @ 1080p my cpu averages 30% / Gpu at around 100% , with fps 100-144(max refresh rate of monitor).

Also consider saving money going for ryzen means more money for the Gpu if that works for your usage. Check ryzen v intel comparisons in games for recent reviews. The older ryzen reviews used very slow memory dragging results down.
 
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If you buy a decent motherboard and quality Samsung b-die ram like the 8 pack memory I have it will run at 3200 or more without problems. Mine runs at 3466 c15 and is completely stable. Unlike intel , ryzen cpu performance is linked to ram speed.

Hynix based ram does not work as well with ryzen. I had corsair lpx 3200 ram before on same motherboard which was only stable at 2933.

I would wait for the coffee lake reviews and see what you think. On bf1 @ 1080p my cpu averages 30% / Gpu at around 100% , with fps 100-144(max refresh rate of monitor).

Also consider saving money going for ryzen means more money for the Gpu if that works for your usage. Check ryzen v intel comparisons in games for recent reviews. The older ryzen reviews used very slow memory dragging results down.

I'm a bit lost when it comes to different ram types, not had to deal with that before.

Could someone spec me a good AMD build for 1600/1600x or 1800/1800x?
Also is the X version just at a higher clock or is there reason to spend the extra money?

Thinking of going the 1600/x route to get the extra money for a 1080ti in the build and upgrade cpu later
 
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The x version is just tested to run at a higher speed by AMD but to be honest the difference can be minimal and the non x ryzens that come with the wraith spire cooler will run @3.7 Ghz overclock on all cores fine on good temps. Only when you get to around 3.8 or more do you need better cooling.
 
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Why wouldn't it be ?

Because the additional two cores may change the overall balance in the chip and it might behave closer to the bigger S.2066 CPUs rather than to how one'd expect to 7700K.

Thats insane! I'm assuming this guy is mostly unbiased as he claims. it's hard to know who to trust!

Wow, so, you're surprised that it's so obvious how much more Intel forces everyone to pay.
 
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Because the additional two cores may change the overall balance in the chip and it might behave closer to the bigger S.2066 CPUs rather than to how one'd expect to 7700K.

The single threaded performance is supposedly around 11% better than the i7 7700K. As for multi threaded that is around 51% better. Obviously these are only benchmarks so we will need to see reviews when they release.

The i7 8700K will be a good cpu for gaming. It will probably take a chunk back from Ryzen depending on the price.

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-...e-single-threaded-performance-11-faster-7700k
 
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I'm a bit lost when it comes to different ram types, not had to deal with that before.

Could someone spec me a good AMD build for 1600/1600x or 1800/1800x?
Also is the X version just at a higher clock or is there reason to spend the extra money?

Thinking of going the 1600/x route to get the extra money for a 1080ti in the build and upgrade cpu later

A GTX 1080 ti will be a waste though unless you buy a high refresh rate 1440p monitor (Or a 4K one).

If you decide on 1440p then you could drop down to a B350 board and 550W psu.

You will also need to make sure your current case will support the parts i.e You will need an ATX case for the motherboard, and also clearance for the gpu length.

What case do you have by the way ?


My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £1,535.59
(includes shipping: £11.70)



 
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The single threaded performance is supposedly around 11% better than the i7 7700K. As for multi threaded that is around 51% better. Obviously these are only benchmarks so we will need to see reviews when they release.

The i7 8700K will be a good cpu for gaming. It will probably take a chunk back from Ryzen depending on the price.

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-...e-single-threaded-performance-11-faster-7700k

No where in real world applications, you'll see even remotely
close to these extraordinary large numbers,
not to mention games - 11% ST and 51% MT.
Hopefully, you don't believe this crap.

Very unbalanced system with a CPU which won't last long enough
- one of the cheaper CPUs (Ryzen 5 1600) with the most expensive
graphics card (1080 Ti), how about no?
 
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