I've had my E6750 at 525FSB, stable enough to run SuperPi, and the E8400 will run SuperPi at 495FSB, Prime stable at 475FSB. An ASUS Maximus would probably get an extra 30-35FSB out of it, but that's £100 more...
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I've had my E6750 at 525FSB, stable enough to run SuperPi, and the E8400 will run SuperPi at 495FSB, Prime stable at 475FSB. An ASUS Maximus would probably get an extra 30-35FSB out of it, but that's £100 more...
Yeh I think WJA96 has done some sterling work testing this board, maybe kenofstephen should have a word with his boss to see about giving him a free next gen board
No Hope/Bob Hope I reckon. Besides, I don't mind buying an X38. That way if it's no good I can 'suggest' they fix it until they do. I have to say again though how impressed I am with the response of the J&W team. Can you imagine ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI responding like J&W have?
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Am having problems flashing from bios 1.3 to 1.3b , i have tried both the winflash(not recommended i know) and the ms way of doing things and neither have worked, well i xcant get the util for dos to load at all (i dont have a floppy so ive used a pen drive,external and even a cd to try and get it to work, but it just goes straight past the post screen and on with loading vista.
when i try any version of winflash an error keeps appearing that says "Onboard bios is Not Award Bios" which when i checked it with cpu z is correctas this detects a pheonix bios? dont ask me why, but when i go into the bios it says its an award 1? am cluless why it wont let me and i really want 1.3b for *** wolfdale benifitscheers in advance
Download the Winflash tool from jwele.com and follow ALL the instructions in the BIOS flashing tutorial. The Dual BIOS makes it very much safer flashing from Windows than usual.
I don't think you're supposed to plug in that molex - I think it's for powering the eSATA port.
@kenofstephen - can you clear up what the 4-pin molex is for on the motherboard? Is it for extra power or for eSATA like on Gigabyte boards?
If you look at what happened with the price, it was always meant to be £70. They launched at £64 as a special offer, but with the V1.2 BIOS performance wasn't good and I suspect they didn't sell well. Once the V1.3 BIOS came out and we started posting some decent overclocks and everything was so much more positive, then I suspect the sales have improved and so they don't feel they need to discount it so much anymore. No doubt it'll be on TWO in a couple of weeks when the X38 board launches.
Is it worth £70? If you want low-cost Crossfire then definitely.
Is it worth £70? If you want low-cost Crossfire then definitely.
I think it's OK to debate value for money against other boards. I've just bought two X1950Pro's for £90 Incl. the pair and I think they'll run very well in Crossfire on this. All the P35 boards have one x16 and one x4 slot and the performance hit against an X38 board with two x16 channels is something between 7 and 20% depending on the resolution.
I think it's a bit off to post here if you don't have the board along the lines of 'I was going to buy one of these but it's gone up a fiver, so now I'm going to buy something else'. If you think that then by all means buy something else, but don't trash a perfectly good board because you think it should be a bit cheaper. I bought mine on the day of release and it was an absolute dog. I said so, and J&W fixed the issues and now it's a good board, and you have a direct channel of communication to J&W about what you want to see in the BIOS through this thread. You'll either see that as a benefit or not, and buy accordingly.
I think it's a bit off to post here if you don't have the board along the lines of 'I was going to buy one of these but it's gone up a fiver, so now I'm going to buy something else'. If you think that then by all means buy something else, but don't trash a perfectly good board because you think it should be a bit cheaper. I bought mine on the day of release and it was an absolute dog. I said so, and J&W fixed the issues and now it's a good board, and you have a direct channel of communication to J&W about what you want to see in the BIOS through this thread. You'll either see that as a benefit or not, and buy accordingly.
Got to be one of the worst boards i have owned,mem dividers are fooked.will not go above 400fsb on a chip that will do well over 400 and what is going on with the vcore volts if i set 1.4 in bios still only gives 1.28 ? on the latest bios.
Cant wait to send it back
I think there are ample screenshots to show that the board will run well over 400FSB so it may need some tweaking somewhere. Where are you reading the voltage as the various programs read voltages in different places. What you should be looking for are the differences eg. if it reads 1.28 when you set 1.4 does it read 1.38 when you set 1.5?
The memory dividers work fine as well. They are overridden if you have the RAM set to AUTO. You need to set the timing to Manual, then enter your timings (loose as you like) and then set the strap (667MHz under 400FSB, 800MHz over 400FSB). I think you'll find the dividers work then.
[Edit]What board were you using to get over 400FSB? The screenshot you've posted with the MSI P35 Premium is only 3.6GHz (400x9) and that was 1.47V in BIOS 1.41V in CPUz
What are your grounds for sending it back?
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I specifically think of it as a J&W board as the only time you ever see anything from OcUK is when they are issuing 'Buy Now' commands.
I agree that when the X38 board becomes available this one will look substantially less attractive, simply because the X38 will be spectacularly good value if they do launch it between £90 and £100. I didn't think you were trashing the board, however the fact remains that now it's a proven performer, OcUK have increased the price again. For what it's worth I agree that they will sell more boards at a £60 price point, but as the likelihood is that they will sell a J&W board OR another board, they can't really lose, can they?
It's amazing how touchy folks get in these situations. It's a debate, not a fight and your points are well argued and well received, I promise you.
Fair enough, just wanted to point it out so the thread didn't get derailed
I think they'd be mad to lock this thread. It's the primary sales aid for the product.
WJA96, with the experience you have had with the IP35 pro, will you be getting the X38 board on launch? Judging from what has been said they have learnt their lesson about the BIOS so sounds like they'll do a better shot of it out of the box
Yes, of course I'll be getting one! I wouldn't miss it for anything. I don't doubt that it will be a significantly more mature product than the P35 board, and I'll be testing it against MSI and Gigabyte X38 boards.
Yes, absolutely - look at the initial 'review' material that OcUK/J&W showed us, it wasn't representative of the shipping board with the V1.2 BIOS, but a few posts on the forums made sure that the message got out fast.
I have already explained that I am not able to swap CPUs at the drop of a hat at the moment. I will put a Q6600 G0 in on Friday evening/Saturday morning and run it up again. I was able to get 3.8GHz 8 hours prime stable out of mine, and I have good water cooling so I can put 1.6V through it and it loads at about 65C which I consider perfectly acceptable for 24/7 use - check my F@H scores for proof that my rigs run 24/7 100% - 8800ppd from 3 systems!
It will be something simple. The board does do odd things - it reboots looking like it hasn't changed the overclock but actually it has reset the DRAM settings for you to get a stable overclock. I'm not entirely sure how the failed overclock reset works, but it seems to maintain all the settings in the BIOS even though it hasn't actually applied them. I suspect that what actually happens is it boots off the spare BIOS and then lets you adjust the primary BIOS again.
I'm not sure if you understand how the voltage monitors work but they are simply converters - the chip returns a value between, say, 0 and 255 and the program interpreting it displays a value according to what it has been told. CPUz and Everest apply a correction factor so you cannot compare the BIOS reading with the CPUz or Everest reading. Download PCWizard 2008 and set it to update every second then check the CPU core voltage at idle. Then load the CPU 100% and watch what happens to the value. On boards like the ASUS P5K with horrible VDroop you can see a drop of as much as 0.1V under load at high overclocks. That doesn't happen on the J&W IP35-Pro.
The only real way you can measure the voltages is with a volt meter and I've done that too, and I can assure you that the voltages are exceptionally stable. I've tested pretty much every P35 board out there (and posted my results/sold most of them on MM if you want proof) and this isn't a bad board at all.
Most i have managed so far is 3.4 but not stable
OK - well I was able to hit 3.3GHz stable with a G0 on the V1.2 BIOS (see post 20 for the screenies) and then I got 3.6GHz with V1.3 then 3.8GHz with V1.3b once I started to manipulate the PCIe BUS speed and mess with the SATA settings. If you read my posts I have consistently said it's better with dual-cores, and that it loves high FSBs (ie. it's better with 1333MHz CPUs than 800MHz CPUs). I will put a Q6600 back in this weekend and run it up to speed again, then post screenies, although I think it's starting to get ridiculous that I'm basically demo-ing the board for OcUK.
I would say for the £65 you paid for it it probably meets most peoples expectations, and then they'll probably just mutter something about your overclocking skillz
Certainly, the blurb has a bit too much hyperbole, but then the guy who's buying/selling these has a tendency to use big fonts....And as for the web site reviews - they are hilarious;
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Well, no, that's wrong.
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He doesn't say what CPU he has, but as he's seduced by how pretty it is, let's assume he's skill-less and he's got an E8400.
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You think you've got trouble - this guy has overclocked his Q6600 G0 to 2.2GHz. The fact he says there are plenty of SATA options on a board he claims to have bought on the 5th of January would make me think he never saw the SATA options (there weren't any on the release BIOS).
Hmmmm... A bit of poetic licence perhaps?
Any heads up on when you're Q6600 test will come about?
About the same time you supply me with the parts to test
I think kenofstephen is talking about the Rev 1.0 BIOS which was superb for overclocking, but was very, very unstable for me. He did post a download link to it for me to try earlier in the thread. As I say, it was brilliant for overclocking but not so good in Word!
WJA96 thanks for the bios help now running the 1.3b bios
I do indeed have a pair of X1950 pro's and I'm looking for another pair. I'll be testing them sometime over the weekend. I would like to think they'll get close to a single 8800GTX at higher resolutions.
If you want fast RAM then the 4Gb PC8000 G.Skill is what I'm geting good results with at the moment. I've also had excellent results with 2 sticks of PC8500 Ballistix.
I did do a check on google and some others have found its uguru playing up.
I think you have the vastly more expensive (but apparently not fault free) Abit IP35-Pro
what board are u runnign if your goign to run 4 x1950 pros? or have i read your last post wrong?
I have been eying up the kingston ram (1150mhz) as it has 5-5-5-15 timing as well as allowing for voltage increase up to 2.4v allowing for a massive fsb overclock
I'm looking to build two gaming rigs with Crossfire - hence I have two and I'm looking for two more. I also want to be able to verify these claims about the 16x/4x vs 16x/16x PCIe slots hence I need to be able to run x38 and P35 boards side by side. X1950Pro's are an excellent compromise between power and second-hand prices hence I'm going for those.
On the RAM I would probably plump for the PC8500 Ballistix as it runs fine at the low-ish voltages available on this board. The G.Skill just wants a touch more to be stable at the top end.
Yes that's right.....and it's not fault free well I didn't know that rolleyes: .It might not be a fault with the motherboard lol well according to other sites it's the software of uguru. Since I have sp1 on uguru now doesn't give an error on windows shutdown so that was a windows thing on uguru ..let's hope this issue gets sorted.
It's not the same manufacturer - the names are very similar, but it's a totally different motherboard made by different people in a different country. Sorry, but you're in the wrong thread
I probably ought to explain the 'not fault free' - Anyone who owns this board, or is considering buying it, is constantly made aware of the fact that it's not a branded board and that therefore support is lacking, but time after time I get asked questions about the Abit board as this thread has direct supplier contact.
Speaking of which, I'm sure Buff will be along any time soon to sort out your Abit problem.
If you are just running defaults then you might want to increase the RAM voltage as those sticks are rated at 2.1V and the motherboard defaults to 1.88V. I very much doubt that is your problem, but it wouldn't hurt to make the adjustment. You want to increase the RAM voltage by +0.2.