It loses to its predecessor some of the time. Still not a win is it?
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Official OcUK Skylake-X & Kabylake-X Review thread
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It loses to its predecessor some of the time. Still not a win is it?
Heh OK well not all the time no. But its also not a loss either.
I guess there are a lot of people like me at the moment. My basket goes from 1800X to 7820 to 7900 daily. I guess I am just waiting for that thing that suddenly happens and makes the decision for me (whatever that may be).
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Let's stop comparing Ryzen mainstream to Intel's hedt, they are closer to it than Intel's mainstream but still not a fair comparison. Threadripper will be out soon that will be it's direct competitor which will determine whether it's a success or not.
You know that TTL had lower VRM temps with AVX load than without? Which doesn't make sense.
But you go on post "your professional" statements about people who have more experience and knowledge than you will ever have.
okay so let's just break this down for a second.
we've had how many reviews of x299 in total? 15? 20? roughly.
0 of these users have experienced cpu throttling due to vrms.
der8auer has basically said every single x299 motherboard cannot sustain clocks of 4.6ghz, most of them throttling down to 4.4ghz without direct airflow on the vrms at least.
we have seen, from many many reviews that clocks are sustainable at 4.6-4.7ghz, on test benches with no fans, and no throttling of the vrms.
we have a few dozen owners on forums such as overclock.net overclocking their 7900/7820xs without throttling on the vrms.
finally, we have a video review showing temps on the exact same motherboards that der8auer used, with the same thermal probe placement, showing much much lower temps than der8auer got.
this isn't my opinion, this is merely the information we, the consumers have been presented with over the last week or so.
also, if you want to get into personal attacks please do it over PMs, don't derail the thread.
There is no point to break it down as people who have way more information and knowledge say they don't know what is happening (TTL, der8auer, Johnny guru) and yet they say it requires more testing. Der8auer even says engineers working for motherboard companies informed him about those issues before he released the video.
While you zornyan know it all, twist information gathered somewhere else, bash others for actual testing which you don't do (as you've not had this cpu even in your hands). Etc...just simply trolling
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did you watch der8auers video? he didn't even remotely say that.
his words were that he informed asus of these results after testing, and that they were going to look into it, and change the thermal pads.
TTL and johnnyguru have also said it's not an issue, infact they've both said it's a "false alarm"
TTL even called out der8auer saying he should have gone and checked his results before posting his video.
look it's fine if you wanna rant on or whatever, but clearly all the people that literially own these motherboards and are using them are happy and getting the performance they want/expect. is that not good enough?
what's more important, a guy doing a video on YouTube saying it's the end of the world?
or end users that are happy with their products? you know the people handing their cash over for these things?
now please, stop trolling thanks
where did I say he said it in his video??? He wrote it... Twisting words and facts again? Whatever suits you...did you watch der8auers video? he didn't even remotely say that.
his words were that he informed asus of these results after testing, and that they were going to look into it, and change the thermal pads.
TTL and johnnyguru have also said it's not an issue, infact they've both said it's a "false alarm"
TTL even called out der8auer saying he should have gone and checked his results before posting his video.
look it's fine if you wanna rant on or whatever, but clearly all the people that literially own these motherboards and are using them are happy and getting the performance they want/expect. is that not good enough?
what's more important, a guy doing a video on YouTube saying it's the end of the world?
or end users that are happy with their products? you know the people handing their cash over for these things?
now please, stop trolling thanks
TTL said multiple times in his video that he doesn't know what is going on and he needs to do more testing. They are also speaking with der8auer as like I posted above TTL'S results are dodgy (AVX temps are lower, than non-AVX)
Johnny guru also said power supply thingy might be just one of the reasons but not root cause.
But you twist information to whatever suits you....
Since Skylake-X runs at a way higher stock clock than Broadwell-E and yet still doesn't pull ahead (and is often slower), this is certainly not something you'd buy for gaming. The whole launch smells of a factory overclocked part. Not as bad as FX 9590 but still bad.
Even with that vast clock difference, in games it still performs way worse that Broadwell-E and about the same speed as Sandy-Bridge-E:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/964-21/indices-performance.html
At equal clock speeds, it only manages under 2% gain over Broadwell-E in applications:
And loses at gaming by about 13%:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/964-6/piledriver-zen-broadwell-e-skylake-x-3-ghz.html
No wonder then that Intel didn't send any review samples to European sites!
Even with that vast clock difference, in games it still performs way worse that Broadwell-E and about the same speed as Sandy-Bridge-E:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/964-21/indices-performance.html
At equal clock speeds, it only manages under 2% gain over Broadwell-E in applications:
And loses at gaming by about 13%:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/964-6/piledriver-zen-broadwell-e-skylake-x-3-ghz.html
No wonder then that Intel didn't send any review samples to European sites!
anyone seen any more benchmarks of uncore/mesh overclocking? seems to have fairly decent gains.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1632870/skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-combined-discussion/210
http://www.overclock.net/t/1632870/skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-combined-discussion/210
Don't compare apples and oranges. We are talking about CPUs here.
Or else point at the P6000 which costs £4000 with the Vega FE. Since that's the direct competitor of the latter in performance at 1/4 the price.
The biggest market these HEDT CPUs are going, are workstations using as many cores as possible. You cannot compare the 7820X @ 550 with the 1700 @ 280.
You have to compare it with it's HEDT competitor at that price range. The 12 core Ryzen 9 1956.
And the latter is going to have 60% more perf out of the box to boot before overclocking.
kinda hard to compare when we don't know threadrippers pricing, or it's platform costs.
to add, didn't amd themselves compare the 1800x to the 6900k, and isn't that what everyone kept ranting on about price to performance?
And yet people like to compare to that to the 7700k....
We have a good idea that their 16c 1950x will cost in the region of $850, we don't know that for sure but it is highly likely given the excellent value for money that have already demonstrated, plus the fact that it is pretty much just 2 1700 cores bolted together. They can afford to do it due to excellent yields and their use of infinity fabric while still retaining high profit margins.
Also platform cost are usually cheaper for amd than intel so it is likely it will remain that way.
It's a testament to ryzen that it is being compared to multiple hips across multiple platforms. It's not that far from the 7700k and trades places with a hedt chip that is twice it's price. Not bad really but if you still want to compare it to the latest hedt platform then that is up to you I suppose.
The real question is, will you accept the multi threadedperformance metric of the 6 core coffee lake chip in comparison to threadripper? Which ever one is closet in price.
I'm not sure what you mean by the last statement? I doubt coffeelake is going to cost anything near what threadripper costs?
https://youtu.be/rZHteQuGmHc
some ryzen vs skylake x benchmarks.
basically when the 7820x is at 4ghz (stock) and the 1700 is oc'd to 4ghz there's a 15-25% (depending on benchmark /game) performance lead for the skylake x
in some particular benchmarks, when both are at 4ghz the skylake x had a whopping 50% performance lead, such as in ashes of the singularity, which is a game that's been specifically patched to take advantage of ryzens architecture.
x265 encoding is something that seems to show a very very large difference between the chips.
so basically clock for clock, you're getting on average 15-20% better performance from skylake x vs ryzen, obviously the skylake x can clock an additional 20-25% higher which further pushes the lead.
seriously impressive stuff.
some ryzen vs skylake x benchmarks.
basically when the 7820x is at 4ghz (stock) and the 1700 is oc'd to 4ghz there's a 15-25% (depending on benchmark /game) performance lead for the skylake x
in some particular benchmarks, when both are at 4ghz the skylake x had a whopping 50% performance lead, such as in ashes of the singularity, which is a game that's been specifically patched to take advantage of ryzens architecture.
x265 encoding is something that seems to show a very very large difference between the chips.
so basically clock for clock, you're getting on average 15-20% better performance from skylake x vs ryzen, obviously the skylake x can clock an additional 20-25% higher which further pushes the lead.
seriously impressive stuff.
The point is it's a mainstream cpu that you are now comparing with a hedt. The 1800x is essentially a 1700 clocked a little higher out of the box for those who don't want to overclock, one is £290 the other is £420 but both are essentially the same.
Threadripper is hedt, coffeelake is mainstream. So when it suits some will compare a ryzen mainstream to intels latest hedt, will the same apply when threadripper is out? Will it be acceptable to compare threadripper with coffeelake? I know threadripper will cost more but so does x299.
I'm saying lets keep it apples to apples. Coffeelake will be out soon and intel will one again offer much better performance, hopefully at a decent price then amd will release zen2 and so on and so forth.
Again it's all impressive stuff and yes you can have better performance for a bigger outlay. We an all buy x299 if we want but the reality is most won't, some including yourself may decide to go for a ryzen due to financial difficulty's, some may decide that they don't need x299 and that ryzen is better suited to their needs at a better price. That is why we have so many choices to suit everybody's needs which will all be different.