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Official OcUK Skylake-X & Kabylake-X Review thread

zornyan said:
like ive said, amd do offer excellent price/performance .

but as it stands for the best performance you only have Intel to consider, if price isn't a concern.

now, I'm not saying this can never change, but amd do still have a distance to climb to match intel, I can't personally see zen+ on the same 14mm LPP getting them a 10% ipc increase and 20%+ clock speed increase.

the question will be is what can they pull off with zen2, when they've had 2 years to optimise the same architecture, and are operating on a similar node density to Intel (gloflo 7nm vs Intel 10nm)
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Which is why it is so confusing because one minute ryzen is a failure the next it offers excellent value for money. One minute x299 is a hot, power hungry failure (relative to intels performance) next it's a blazing fast best of the best success.

Like i said x299 success will be measured by Threadripper's performance. Coffeelake should be the best mainstream/all around solution depending on price. If they nail it on the price it'll be hard to recommend anything else.

Zen2 has the potential to close the gap but we will have to see how they both makes the transition to smaller nodes. If Zen2 gets near 5ghz I wonder what that means for Intel. Will we see them pushing much higher than what they have already and basically have had since sandybridge? Or will they make gains in other ways?

Say's in here that Intels new architecture is not due til 2020 so it'll be interesting to see what that means for them. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...als_next_generation_core_architecture_plans/1
 
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Doobedoo said:
And all those who don't need the best performing cpu at any one thing but can have something that an do a lot for relatively little money. Hence why the r7's make so much sense.
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You are right.
Anyone who play games while at the same time is running TS and a browser streaming internet radio or youtube on the background, will find even the 6700K/7700K @ 4.8Ghz completely not fit for the job. And we discuss about i5s? (I had a 6700K with 3600CL16 Ram also).
Let alone when you have steam/origin/uplay downloading a new game on the background on top.

But hell, even the 6800K @4Ghz is miles better than the 6700K @ 4.8 even on gaming when streaming radio or watching a video on the second monitor.
Everything runs so much smoother. As it did on the 1700X those two weeks I had it, before the CH6 had a fit, and there were no boards to be replaced.

Let alone, while I need it for Unity 5 rendering also, for the gaming trying to make. (a clone of Re-Volt)
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Skylake chips were just as expensive as Haswell-e chips, didn't make sense to me to go yet another quad core when overall system performance would be better with a hex core, even if Skylake did have a bit better IPC.. it was never anything massive.

Not too subtle :p
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Nah no need for subtlety ;) it's just a few anyway.

Being on my phone I cannot see sigs; I take it you have Haswell-E yeah?

Panos said:
You are right.
Anyone who play games while at the same time is running TS and a browser streaming internet radio or youtube on the background, will find even the 6700K/7700K @ 4.8Ghz completely not fit for the job. And we discuss about i5s? (I had a 6700K with 3600CL16 Ram also).
Let alone when you have steam/origin/uplay downloading a new game on the background on top.
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I have a few sites open when I game, or some music or a YouTube video and that's fine with my i5, anything more than that or either of the above simultaneously...I can't see it going too well.
 
Panos said:
You are right.
Anyone who play games while at the same time is running TS and a browser streaming internet radio or youtube on the background, will find even the 6700K/7700K @ 4.8Ghz completely not fit for the job. And we discuss about i5s? (I had a 6700K with 3600CL16 Ram also).
Let alone when you have steam/origin/uplay downloading a new game on the background on top.

But hell, even the 6800K @4Ghz is miles better than the 6700K @ 4.8 even on gaming when streaming radio or watching a video on the second monitor.
Everything runs so much smoother. As it did on the 1700X those two weeks I had it, before the CH6 had a fit, and there were no boards to be replaced.

Let alone, while I need it for Unity 5 rendering also, for the gaming trying to make. (a clone of Re-Volt)
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But what about that extra 3 average FPS you'll be losing?? :D
 
Doobedoo said:
Which is why it is so confusing because one minute ryzen is a failure the next it offers excellent value for money. One minute x299 is a hot, power hungry failure (relative to intels performance) next it's a blazing fast best of the best success.

Like i said x299 success will be measured by Threadripper's performance. Coffeelake should be the best mainstream/all around solution depending on price. If they nail it on the price it'll be hard to recommend anything else.

Zen2 has the potential to close the gap but we will have to see how they both makes the transition to smaller nodes. If Zen2 gets near 5ghz I wonder what that means for Intel. Will we see them pushing much higher than what they have already and basically have had since sandybridge? Or will they make gains in other ways?

Say's in here that Intels new architecture is not due til 2020 so it'll be interesting to see what that means for them. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...als_next_generation_core_architecture_plans/1
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I think we create the confusion for ourselves to some degree. Rather than look at the numbers and choose what suits us best, we listen to people who either like the sound of their own voice or try to push their view on you. There is so much data out there now that we probably have enough to go on with the exception of Threadripper. For me it's down to whether I want Ryzen which is great value but generally slower and look forward to what Zen2 may bring or go with the mostly faster X299 and deal with the issues that brings and likewise wait for a CPU refresh. I'll look at TR first but don't see it being quicker for my uses based on what we know about Ryzen.
 
I'm still waiting for AMD Threadripper to make my decision. I think it will compete well on price even if performance isn't quite the same although I am keeping a close eye on this thread to see if an i9 would be a reasonable purchase for me just in case AMD Threadripper turns out to be rubbish. Either way I've been waiting to upgrade my X79 6 core system for 5 years so now feels like the right time to do it. Just need to be a bit more patient wait out the last couple of months.

Some interesting discussion in this thread though. I've learnt a bit from it.
 
B1gbeard said:
I think we create the confusion for ourselves to some degree. Rather than look at the numbers and choose what suits us best, we listen to people who either like the sound of their own voice or try to push their view on you. There is so much data out there now that we probably have enough to go on with the exception of Threadripper. For me it's down to whether I want Ryzen which is great value but generally slower and look forward to what Zen2 may bring or go with the mostly faster X299 and deal with the issues that brings and likewise wait for a CPU refresh. I'll look at TR first but don't see it being quicker for my uses based on what we know about Ryzen.
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Yeah you're probably right their. I'm all for going for whatever suits your needs if you have a genuinely well thought out reason then who is anyone to argue with that.

I almost bit on Zen but I'm one of those people who like to get maximum value for my money, I won't upgrade for the sake of it and to me I haven't got enough out of my current i5 to justify it to myself. I'm open to the possibility of going 6 core coffeelake but it would take it being competitive on price to stop me waiting until zen2. I'm not a massive gamer more a casual really so I don't own a high refresh monitor just a 1440p, neither do I do anything of a productive nature.
 
Doobedoo said:
Yeah you're probably right their. I'm all for going for whatever suits your needs if you have a genuinely well thought out reason then who is anyone to argue with that.

I almost bit on Zen but I'm one of those people who like to get maximum value for my money, I won't upgrade for the sake of it and to me I haven't got enough out of my current i5 to justify it to myself. I'm open to the possibility of going 6 core coffeelake but it would take it being competitive on price to stop me waiting until zen2. I'm not a massive gamer more a casual really so I don't own a high refresh monitor just a 1440p, neither do I do anything of a productive nature.
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That justification actually is maybe more of a point. In comparison to my current system neither Ryzen nor X299 feels like a big enough jump performance wise for what I use it for. As someone with a budget and who will really want one of the new ultrawide HDR monitors when they surface I might save my pennies.
 
haszek said:
I bet none of the YT reviewers had idea their vrm's were throttling.:rolleyes:
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still doesn't explain why dozens of users aren't having throttling on their 7900xs overclocked. including when running benchmarks and getting insanely high scores.

from the sounds of it, installing the motherboard inside a case where there's some airflow over the vrms fixes the issue (according to silicone lottery) so it's only on test benches where there's no airflow it seems to show itself.

so basically, don't use a test bench for a 24/7 pc.
 
zornyan said:
from the sounds of it, installing the motherboard inside a case where there's some airflow over the vrms fixes the issue (according to silicone lottery) so it's only on test benches where there's no airflow it seems to show itself.
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Curious, at 6:30 in the video he shows a build in a case :D
 
zornyan said:
still doesn't explain why dozens of users aren't having throttling on their 7900xs overclocked. including when running benchmarks and getting insanely high scores.

from the sounds of it, installing the motherboard inside a case where there's some airflow over the vrms fixes the issue (according to silicone lottery) so it's only on test benches where there's no airflow it seems to show itself.

so basically, don't use a test bench for a 24/7 pc.
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Usually case temp exceeds the ambient air temp outside the case. this is particularly true of the back of PCB temps.

I would still not be happy with a 300W CPU draw anyway even as a peak.
 
zornyan said:
silicone lottery said they fixed their vrm issue by placing the AIO cooler above the vrms, as if it was inside a case and they've been pushing dozens of chips as hard as possible.
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Yes, that's a quote from Silicone Lottery

Unrelated note, I have had two motherboards die on me so far (MSI Gaming pro carbon fiorst, and just now an Asus Strix) and I'm not sure what to think of that. First motherboards I've had die on me over the three years we've been doing this. Both randomly died during stress tests, simply won't post now. Not making it any easier for me to get these things tested!
 
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