** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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Shamikebab said:
1. I'm not going to bet against some random person on a forum.
2. No I think I'll continue thank you.
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1. You have no faith in your argument, or the player you are supporting to win you the bet.

2. So therfore anything you say on this matter can now be ignored.
 
1. Yes you're absolutely correct anyone that doesn't make bets on anything they believe in quite obviously doesn't have faith :rolleyes:

2. Couldn't care less if you ignore me or not tbh
 
atpbx said:
Its what Fergie WAS doing, he picked him over Owen many times, and he didnt perform, the last straw was the Chelsea game where he literally did nothing the entire match, that led to him picking Rooney to play, while injured.

Or mabye that didnt happen?

In fact i've got £50 here that says I'm proved right at the end of the season.
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You do realise he scored 1 in every 2 starts right? Also that your top scorer was rooney with 26, Berb's came in with 12, the next highest scorers were jointly Giggs and Valencia, with 5, so you'd drop your second highest scorer, because Owen who started 5 games did get 3 goals, though he also had 14 sub appearences, I also from memory think he scored most of those goals as a sub, he got one or two against City as a sub didn't he?

You're really drop your second best player, and scorer, for a guy who can't keep fit and only scored 3 in the league, I mean, really, and you think Fergie would also?

You also think he'd drop a deep lying playmaking striker, for an out and out finisher, which is Rooney's position which is the reason he became prolific last year becaues he actually stayed in/around the box? SO with 98% of managers rarely playing 2 similar types of strikers, and Fergie completely reluctant to do so last year, you think he'll just drop Owen in over berbatov, your best player in all preseason?

You're literally mental.

I'd absolutely happily take him at Arsenal, theres this complete rubbish idea that Berbatov used to score 20 a season and now suddenly is only scoring around 10 so is crap. When you got him for 30mil he'd just scored 15 in 9 more starts, so 3 more goals in his best scoring season ever with a lot more game time.

He's a deep lying playmaker, who gets the ball, with perfect control and lays on a usually excellent path infront of whoever is making a dangerous run. ANyone who thinks he's rubbish doesn't know football, at the route of half your goals in the Ronaldo 42 goal season was Berbatov getting the ball and playing Rooney or Ronaldo in behind with a perfect pass, he did the same when he got the chance last year.

I really can't think of anyone who would suggest one goal every 2 starts is an awful record and makes a useless player.

Rooney had a lot of completely ineffective games last year that people are willing to overlook because he got a goal. Generally when strikers are uninvolved its because people behind them aren't getting the ball to them, not to mention everyone has some bad games. Berbatov did nothing against Chelsea, so he's terrible, so Rooney's terrible because he did nothing in 3 world cup games then?
 
Berbatov does not suit the style of football United play. The quick counter attacking football they played so effectively up to two seasons ago was literally ruined overnight with the purchase of Berbatov. No idea why Fergie thought a player that likes slow attacks and be at the center of everything would ever suit his team. £30 million pounds not well spent.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Whatever happens now, unless Arsenal win the title, or the CL, Barca will know for a fact that Fabregas wants out, there will be no question his value will instantly drop, as its done twice in recent history. You can ignore that its happened twice, to Arsenal, costing us £30mil already, and it WILL happen again next year.

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This is the problem with the few people on here who bash everything I say, you are all always completely wrong about Arsenal, every time, yet constantly say I talk crap.
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I can't believe I've taken you off my ignore list drunkenmaster, but after I reply to your Fabregas comments you will be back on it:

You are basically saying, 'Cash in on Fabregas now, whilst his value holds'? I can understand that logic from a business point-of-view, but not as a football fan. So you'd offload him now than see if he can win something for us (in potentially his last season, and also coming off the back of a World Cup win)?

That whole mentality is a stark contrast to how Arsenal football club is run and our philosophy: For the football -- not the money, fame, and (very arguably) glory. To the latter, I argue this because our club motto, 'Victoria Concordia Crescit' (Victory Comes From Harmony), implies that we will be glorious due to our style of football.

You do raise some valid points, but unfortunately the amount of garbage far overshadows that and I (and no doubt a lot of the Arsenal supporters on here) skim through all of your posts. Personally, I always end up dismissing your posts simply because the very nature of every single one of your posts has the same tone. It's just, monotonous. And as an Arsenal fan, very insulting that you show a distinct lack of support. You did show a more positive side early this morning, but that is as rare as finding a young creator of the ball with incisive passes capable of winning World Cups.

I realize this is straying off-topic now, so I'll summarize it for you: Your general tone is so domineering that anyone could mistake you for an Opta analyst, with an overdose of skewed bias, who is never mistaken on the ability or promise of a football player. What is the truth? Have you ever been to an Arsenal game? Do you watch every Premier League match and count whether that was a pass or a cross? Or is this all just a collective mental library of "Who to prove wrong today" courtesy of Wikipedia and other resources? I don't really care anymore, cause you'll be back on my ignore list.
 
Never going to happen. Signed a 5 year contract in April and was the first player to commit himself to the club after we finished 7th. Liverpool through and through.
 
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He's arguably our most valuable player as well. When you look at our team over the last two decades it's been full of world class strikers and fantastic midfielders. They're two positions we've never had a problem filling. You then look between the sticks over the same time period and it makes you realise how fortunate we are to now have Reina.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Berbatov does not suit the style of football United play. The quick counter attacking football they played so effectively up to two seasons ago was literally ruined overnight with the purchase of Berbatov. No idea why Fergie thought a player that likes slow attacks and be at the center of everything would ever suit his team. £30 million pounds not well spent.
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Because fast counter attacks don't beat every team. What about the games against the lower teams that can easily be 0-0 because they don't come out enough for us to counter attack? That's where Berb excels.
 
Peño said:
I can't believe I've taken you off my ignore list drunkenmaster, but after I reply to your Fabregas comments you will be back on it:

You are basically saying, 'Cash in on Fabregas now, whilst his value holds'? I can understand that logic from a business point-of-view, but not as a football fan. So you'd offload him now than see if he can win something for us (in potentially his last season, and also coming off the back of a World Cup win)?

That whole mentality is a stark contrast to how Arsenal football club is run and our philosophy: For the football -- not the money, fame, and (very arguably) glory. To the latter, I argue this because our club motto, 'Victoria Concordia Crescit' (Victory Comes From Harmony), implies that we will be glorious due to our style of football.

You do raise some valid points, but unfortunately the amount of garbage far overshadows that and I (and no doubt a lot of the Arsenal supporters on here) skim through all of your posts. Personally, I always end up dismissing your posts simply because the very nature of every single one of your posts has the same tone. It's just, monotonous. And as an Arsenal fan, very insulting that you show a distinct lack of support. You did show a more positive side early this morning, but that is as rare as finding a young creator of the ball with incisive passes capable of winning World Cups.

I realize this is straying off-topic now, so I'll summarize it for you: Your general tone is so domineering that anyone could mistake you for an Opta analyst, with an overdose of skewed bias, who is never mistaken on the ability or promise of a football player. What is the truth? Have you ever been to an Arsenal game? Do you watch every Premier League match and count whether that was a pass or a cross? Or is this all just a collective mental library of "Who to prove wrong today" courtesy of Wikipedia and other resources? I don't really care anymore, cause you'll be back on my ignore list.
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I watch almost every game, I've been to well, actually probably in the hundreds of ARsenal games, the high hundreds football games in total, Arsenal, Brentford, Chelsea, England, Brazil, Argentina, France, under 21 England, QPR, Fulham and West Ham games.

I've also said on MULTIPLE occasions I'd LOVE Fabregas to stay as a fan, so you're, well, completely wrong. But Fabregas having won the World cup, much like him having won the EUro cup means nothing for Arsenal, Wenger will play too many of our worst players, we will won nothing this year, we won't. Ok anyone could fluke to a FA cup or worthless cup victory, we are not winning the league or CL, anyone who thinks otherwise IS deluded. We got close-ish, but infact weren't that close to winning the title last year. YOu seem to think because at various points throughout the season we weren't that far off, that meant we had a good chance and it was close, it wasn't. I said all along we wouldn't win and we didn't.

We'll win nothing this year, there are two options, Fabregas sold for 40-45mil this season, and win nothing, fabregas sold for 20-25mil next season, having won nothing this season. Anyone who chooses the later is infact daft, chosing the former gives us a better chance of winning things not only this season, but next. We don't have anyone as good as Fabregas, but we have like 5-6 people who can play in his position and if we spent the cash on replacements for Song, Diaby, THeo, Sagna, we'd have a better overall team.

So again you've ignored half my comments, ignored the fact that I've said I'd love him to stay many times, somehow made the statement of fact that a football decision is better for Arsenal than a business decision, an opinion, sure, but a matter of fact? If its not fact, none of what you said stands up.

Likewise your idea's depend on the idea that we can win a serious cup/title just because Fabregas stays, being delusional doesn't make you somehow a better fan, nor increase Arsenal's chance of winning anything, it simply makes you think we can, and being blind to the teams chances helps no one. LIke Wenger blindly ignoring how completely inept Theo is doesn't help the team.
 
You keep going on about Fabregas' value dropping massively if he's sold next season but nobody understands why. Care to explain?

As far as I see it, Fabregas will still have plenty of time on his contract, Arsenal still won't need to sell and it's not likely that Fabregas will publically push for the move.
 
BaZ87 said:
You keep going on about Fabregas' value dropping massively if he's sold next season but nobody understands why. Care to explain?

As far as I see it, Fabregas will still have plenty of time on his contract, Arsenal still won't need to sell and it's not likely that Fabregas will publically push for the move.
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Really?
 
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