Oh FFS - Speed Camera Phone App

For dangerous driving but this suggests you can use your phone to submit speeders. An uncalibrated device which cannot be used for evidential purposes in relation to speed.

It'll keep the curtain twitchers happy I guess
 
Don't agree with it indiscriminately - fair enough if someone blitzes through a 20MPH school zone or other dangerous driving, etc. but the odd time someone steps on it a bit while still driving safely and otherwise in accordance with traffic rules rarely causes an issue in reality.
 
Rroff said:
Don't agree with it indiscriminately - fair enough if someone blitzes through a 20MPH school zone or other dangerous driving, etc. but the odd time someone steps on it a bit while still driving safely and otherwise in accordance with traffic rules rarely causes an issue in reality.
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That's the thing though, speeding isn't subjective. Either you are speeding or you aren't (tolerances aside). You can claim not to be driving dangerously by "driving safely and otherwise in accordance with traffic rules" but if you are speeding you are speeding. One of the reasons speed laws are in place is presumably because it removes ambiguity. As soon as you start saying "yeah, he was just stepping on it a bit so it's all fine innit" you enter a grey area where every little increment in speed is just 'stepping on it' a little more than the last. You have to draw the line somewhere, if you leave it open-ended then it gets very confusing. The point Richie is making I think is that the offence of speeding is an absolute binary thing and phone cameras aren't really going to be able to provide reliable evidence for that.
 
HangTime said:
That's the thing though, speeding isn't subjective. Either you are speeding or you aren't (tolerances aside). You can claim not to be driving dangerously by "driving safely and otherwise in accordance with traffic rules" but if you are speeding you are speeding. One of the reasons speed laws are in place is presumably because it removes ambiguity. As soon as you start saying "yeah, he was just stepping on it a bit so it's all fine innit" you enter a grey area where every little increment in speed is just 'stepping on it' a little more than the last. You have to draw the line somewhere, if you leave it open-ended then it gets very confusing. The point Richie is making I think is that the offence of speeding is an absolute binary thing and phone cameras aren't really going to be able to provide reliable evidence for that.
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In that respect it is interesting on the dual-carriageway on my way to work - the police regularly do speed checks on it almost never pull anyone for 85 or under unless other factors but 86+ throw the book at them.

Related to that people often race each other off the lights at the start of the stretch - wide open straight section with 100s of yards of visibility where unless they do silly speeds the chances of it causing a problem are exceedingly low but some would be rubbing their hands in glee at being able to report people doing it. (I wouldn't be so sure on the can't be used to prosecute angle - there is obviously a push there by some with an agenda to try and get to that end).
 
dLockers said:
Every police force already has an option to submit footage. NextBase even have a portal.

https://nextbase.co.uk/national-dash-cam-safety-portal/
https://www.humberside.police.uk/dash-cam-reporting
https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/advice/submitting-dash-cam-footage
https://www.dorset.police.uk/do-it-online/operation-snap-dashcam-footage/
https://beta.northumbria.police.uk/our-services/report-it/dashcam-submission/
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Not every force. My local refuses DC footage, unless they're appealing for it.

Ironically it seems the forces that don't accept submissions also seem to be some of the worst performing forces. Take that how you will.
 
I've been impressed by what I've seen of operation snap in action around here including my own submissions, local news and the police posts/videos, etc.

If you have good clear footage of actual dangerous driving they deal with it very quickly and even give you a summary of what action has been taken and even a follow up with the outcome. On the other hand they have a dim view of time wasters or people whose own driving is less than exemplary and/or engineered a situation and prosecuted at least 2 drivers from their own submissions.
 
SDK^ said:
Don’t panic -it only works for capturing footage of yellow super cars :p
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:D. I guess even recording someone at 30 in a 20 on a mobile, the speed would be a bit ambiguous (thinking of reference points and how most videos tend to have been recorded by someone with parkinsons). It's not a bad idea for dangerous maneuvers though.
 
inadmissable ?
if the pictures show car passing known objects at much faster than speed limit permits they're going down,
(remember vincent hannas bmw/cyclist accident in which we discussed cyclists irresponsible pavement speed, as shown on dashcam)
you need advanced software to re-interpolate phone videos to be misleading on speed, so I don't see scope for ambiguity,

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since I don't walk around with a smartphone glued in my hand though, and don't really want to, I may need to eat my principals for the better cause.
 
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