Oh noes, going to blow up a second time! (new car)

[MikeHiow]

Now that isn't what I said, is it Amoeba. They are, however, one huge kettle of fish.

I've no doubts that a decent FMIC can be fine with airflow done properly (I only have a basic understanding of this, but understand that it is easy to create a high pressure zone behind the rad which would have the opposite to the desired effect).

 

[InvaderGIR]

Rich - if you are drifting it are you looking at sorting the suspension? It looks all standard at the minute

After the Vitesse I'd hope not.

 

[Rich1988]

Don't worry Fox I will post up on the SXOC and let everyone know that their FMICs will cause their engines to implode

Rich - if you are drifting it are you looking at sorting the suspension? It looks all standard at the minute

currently in the market for a set of coilys, it is standard, (200k miles standard which can make it a bit scary!) I dont want to lower it though the centre box already scrapes the middle of our driveway

After the Vitesse I'd hope not.

Pffff the ride height on that was just right *cough*

 

[Amoeba]

Not particularly.

Loads of cars have items "blocking" the rad straight out of the factory. Oil coolers, transmission coolers, A/C condensers, etc.

I mean, unless I'm missing something air is still being passed through the rad after it has been through the intercooler? Granted, perhaps not as efficiently/coolly, but it's not cutting off the air supply completely as it seems like you are implying.

I just don't buy the idea that a front mount suddenly making a car over heat. On track or otherwise.

Indeed, the S14a has the air con rad sitting infront of 80% of the cooling rad already, no issues there..

Now that isn't what I said, is it Amoeba. They are, however, one huge kettle of fish.

I've no doubts that a decent FMIC can be fine with airflow done properly (I only have a basic understanding of this, but understand that it is easy to create a high pressure zone behind the rad which would have the opposite to the desired effect).

No it isn't what you said, but you did say that WMICs are undoubtebly the best option when clearly they are not.

currently in the market for a set of coilys, it is standard, (200k miles standard which can make it a bit scary!) I dont want to lower it though the centre box already scrapes the middle of our driveway

200k bushes would scare the **** out of me . If you haven't already then I'd look at getting the TC bushes done and also the rack bushes, then if you can be arsed look at rear subframe. If you are lazy then locking collars work well too

Edit - are you on the SXOC? There are often s/h coilies for sale in the for sale section there

 

[Rich1988]

adds to the character as far as im concerned but yea poly bushes are on the cards

*edit* yea I am on sxoc, same name

 

[Amoeba]

Good stuff, the TC and steering rack bushes transformed how well mine turned in

 

[MikeHiow]

Indeed, the S14a has the air con rad sitting infront of 80% of the cooling rad already, no issues there..

What kind of temperatures does that aircon rad see in relation to the charge temps than a FMIC will see?

No it isn't what you said, but you did say that WMICs are undoubtebly the best option when clearly they are not.

Unless chasing big numbers, why involve yourself with such potential hassles when an uprated WMIC will do the same job? Which is why I think the wing mount is the better option.

 

[TomO]

a fairly common thing to do on the high powered cars is to fit an uprated radiator, although I get the impression thats not really to do with the FMIC being there, more that just higher power created more heat, so a rad upgrade can't be a bad thing.


Rich - advantage of the FMIC route is that you get pretty much all new piping throughout, at the standard WMIC piping is notorious for cracking and its case of when not if.

never tried an uprated WMIC, but an FMIC gave a good noticeable difference on each of mine. I think the standard WMIC is pretty rubbish and airflow to it not the best.

 

[Rich1988]

a fairly common thing to do on the high powered cars is to fit an uprated radiator, although I get the impression thats not really to do with the FMIC being there, more that just higher power created more heat, so a rad upgrade can't be a bad thing.


Rich - advantage of the FMIC route is that you get pretty much all new piping throughout, at the standard WMIC piping is notorious for cracking and its case of when not if.

never tried an uprated WMIC, but an FMIC gave a good noticeable difference on each of mine. I think the standard WMIC is pretty rubbish and airflow to it not the best.

Its an uprated apex one and It came with all new piping so no worry about cracks, the bits that are leaking are the gaskets I didnt tighten up properly

 

[Amoeba]

What kind of temperatures does that aircon rad see in relation to the charge temps than a FMIC will see?

I don't know, you tell me. I know many MANY people who run FMICs both on track (drift + grip) and on the road and don't have problems.

Unless chasing big numbers, why involve yourself with such potential hassles when an uprated WMIC will do the same job? Which is why I think the wing mount is the better option.

Well fair enough but up until today I have never heard of issues running an FMIC

 

[Amoeba]

Rich - advantage of the FMIC route is that you get pretty much all new piping throughout, at the standard WMIC piping is notorious for cracking and its case of when not if.

never tried an uprated WMIC, but an FMIC gave a good noticeable difference on each of mine. I think the standard WMIC is pretty rubbish and airflow to it not the best.

To be fair the WMIC kits normally come with replacement piping anyway. But I agree with your point about the rubbish position

 

[InvaderGIR]

Which is why I think the wing mount is the better option.

But you didn't, you stated as a fact that it was better.

 

[MikeHiow]

Yes, because that is what I believe based on it being what others with experience believe, following discussing it with them.

FFS, if someone else posted this, the dispute would probably have just remained with Tomo and Amoeba.

 

[Amoeba]

Mike - just a tip here mate.

I know you thought you were being helpful with your original post and said what you did in good faith, and that's great. I think the issue I and others have had with it is how you put your point across. If you had said 'I have heard that maybe FMICs can cause cooling issues' and then proceded to explain why then I for one wouldn't have responded like I did; in fact I would probably have been interested in what you had to say rather than just LOLing and it could have been a constructive conversation.

I think you need to review how you post and then perhaps people won't jump down your throat so readily and you won't be just disregarded as a troll .

 

[InvaderGIR]

FFS, if someone else posted this, the dispute would probably have just remained with Tomo and Amoeba.

I actually held off when I saw your first post because you'd react this way.

 

[morfmedia]

Nice buy, how much did it set you back. I also need some new coilovers for my stage3a S14a. Enjoy your drifting

 

[Rich1988]

the princely some of £1440, from a dealer no less! normally I steer well clear of stealers but it had just come in on part ex and the guy didnt know anything about it.

 

[danza]

The S14 is a very nice looking car, but the standard wheels always let it down just a bit in my opinion.

200K on the standard turbo is really quite impressive though. Has the car thrown any/many nasty bills your way?

 

[Rich1988]

passed mot first time, only let down by emissions, replaced clutch at a cost of £269 (for everything) and thats about it, apart from that the only money has been spent on standard service items, oil change fuel filter brake fluid change coolant change etc.

maybe im just a wrongun but I actually like the standard alloys just about to pick up 4 more

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Now that isn't what I said, is it Amoeba. They are, however, one huge kettle of fish.

I've no doubts that a decent FMIC can be fine with airflow done properly (I only have a basic understanding of this, but understand that it is easy to create a high pressure zone behind the rad which would have the opposite to the desired effect).

Usual Internet regurgitation. In many cases it's the ducting and air spill that's the problem.