OMG just HAD to buy a x1900xt

smids · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:19

chaparral, I agree with miller on this. So what if the 7800GTX is still the price it is. The reason?

7800 series out of production = low supply.
Low supply always means high price.
High demand for people who want to SLi them.
SLi is far more popular than Xfire, and lots of people do this.
All the above mean retailers can charge what they like and know people will have to come back.

Anyone who buys a 7800GTX at a high price is a fool I'm afraid. It hasn't held its value, it is, as james said, being heavily overcharged.

EDIT @ legionaire68 - don't I know it about deliveries. I always disguide them with 'oh, it's just an RMA

', otherwise it's why you wasting your student loan on comp parts...

- bah, that's what my job is going to be for, paying it all back

egt · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:24

chaparral said:
My argument was..Nvidia highend cards keep there prices better then ATI highend cards

No highend card i have ever know or owned has dropped about £140 in less then two months..And for that i still say ATI cards do not keep there price as well as nvidia cards

Good point.

chaparral · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:25

Sorry smids..I can't agree ati cards kept there price as well as nvidia cards do..

The 7800gtx has only been in short supply for last two weeks or so..

And i have only quoted the 7800gtx 256mb cards in this thread..The 512mb are a different story all together..

james.miller · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:26

chaparral said:
My argument was..Nvidia highend cards keep there prices better then ATI highend cards

No highend card i have ever know or owned has dropped about £140 in less then two months..And for that i still say ATI cards do not keep there price as well as nvidia cards

yes because a) the x1800's were awfully late and so ati want to get their user base back and b) its a special offer on a large range of ATi card. I would expect those prices to go back up. what would you be saying then?

Where you getting this below from.I have not idea.

simple. i accept that people like to buy the best, you cant accept that people can see that as wasting money.

Legionaire68 · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:28

Its not just graphics cards that prices fall fast, look at DDR2 memory its dropped by about 200% in a year and LCDs as well. The thing is the 6800's and x800's had the about a year before new chipsets were released but Pci Express versions dropped in price hard as soon that happened. The x1800 was always going to be short lifespan with x1900 4 months behind but a new prices is still a descent buy.

chaparral · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:30

james.miller said:
simple. i accept that people like to buy the best, you cant accept otherwise..

chaparral said:
Originally Posted by chaparral
My argument was..Nvidia highend cards keep there prices better then ATI highend cards

smids · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:32

chaparral said:
The 7800gtx has only been in short supply for last two weeks or so..

The prices have not, and will not drop though. Before they were ok value as they were the top card, now they are just a rip off yet people keep buying them. That's what keeps them at the price.

You base your entire argument on the fact that the X1800 devalued quickly. Well, that is no basis for any argument. All previous cards held their value very well. X800's still held value, as did 9800's at the time. They lost value when the new range came out. The X1800XT was heavily delayed so this was the cause of its demise.

MoNkeE · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:35

Just because one series [the X1800's] lost their value so quickly doesn't give you a reason to generalise.

-RaZ

chaparral · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:36

smids said:
The X1800XT was heavily delayed so this was the cause of its demise.

I belive the x1900 range was not delayed and still dropped £140 in 2 months.
And yes the 9800 range were very good value keepers..I myself had a 9800pro AIW for two years..pay £150 secondhand and sold it for £90

MoNkeE said:
Just because one series [the X1800's] lost their value so quickly doesn't give you a reason to generalise.

-RaZ

Two series.x1800 ,x1900

Metalface Mark · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:38

When people buy they are happy to buy that price, a price drop two weeks later dosent make any difference to the card thats in your machine.

It is now sensible though to wait and not buy on launch day as you know they will come down. I quite fancied a 7900GT or GTX, decided to wait and see if prices would drop, low and behold today they have dropped considerably to a price that they wont drop less than another 30 or 40 quid over the next 6 months or so, im quite happy with that.

Bookime Wood · 16 Mar 2006 at 22:43

smids said:
You base your entire argument on the fact that the X1800 devalued quickly. Well, that is no basis for any argument.

You will find from this thread that he owns a x1900xt-x, the devaluation of the x1800 is only part of his case, and by no means moot.

iamgud · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:03

The reason is that the x1800 was so late, it wasy quickly overtaken by the x1900. Just bad luck, it could have happened to any manufacturer.

And as said, the 7800GTX 512 was just in very short supply, It was out of stock for about 2 months around Christmas. And even after that was around £500. High demand and low supply = high prices.

Never sell my graphics card anyway, just buy the card I feel is top or almost top but isn't silly money and be happy until it can't run games then put it in another PC.

smids · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:05

Bookime Wood said:
You will find from this thread that he owns a x1900xt-x, the devaluation of the x1800 is only part of his case, and by no means moot.

And you will also note that the X1900's are on a very limited offer. The prices will go back up once stock runs out. Then he can be happy, because people are being charged more :rolleyes:

.

It's a one off, one week offer, for those who hadn't noticed.

Prices will go back to what they were before the price crash and you cannot complain chaparral if you buy in the first week or two of release. Anyone knows this attracts a premium - this also cannot be a basis of your argument.

egt · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:18

smids said:
Prices will go back to what they were before the price crash and you cannot complain chaparral if you buy in the first week or two of release.

I wouldn't be too confident that prices will go back up to the original price.

I'd say chaparral had every rights to complain after seeing his card devalued by at least £140!

chaparral · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:18

smids said:
And you will also note that the X1900's are on a very limited offer. The prices will go back up once stock runs out. Then he can be happy, because people are being charged more .

It's a one off, one week offer, for those who hadn't noticed.

Prices will go back to what they were before the price crash and you cannot complain chaparral if you buy in the first week or two of release. Anyone knows this attracts a premium - this also cannot be a basis of your argument.

Nice reply just because i think nvidia cards keep there value better then ATI.

Instead of writing all this rubbish,,Why can't you just show me the ati cards that has kept there value the same as the nvidia cards for last 8 months..Which you seem to belive so much.

smids · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:19

egt said:
I wouldn't be too confident that prices will go back up to the original price.

I'd say chaparral had every rights to complain after seeing his card devalued by at least £140!

280+140 = £420 i.e. the price on release. It is therefore obvious he bought at the inflated price. He cannot therefore complain when it drops in price to the normal retail price after the 'buzz'. It will go back up to £350 so it will go back to the original price as this is the price they were 2 days ago.

smids · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:21

chaparral said:
Nice reply just because i think nvidia cards keep there value better then ATI.

Instead of writing all this rubbish,,Why can't you just show me the ati cards that has kept there value the same as the nvidia cards for last 8 months..Which you seem to belive so much.

I don't. The X1800 was a total farce. However, this was due to ATi's poor management. Fair play though, they continued with R580 regardless and thank goodness they did as it is what the R520 should have been and probably saved them.

goreblast · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:30

Spare a thought for us poor x1800 crossfire owners!

speeduk · 16 Mar 2006 at 23:33

LOL @ you guys all this fuss over a gfx card company. If you feel bad that people can buy your card for £100 less than what you payed at release then you shouldn't buy cards on or near release.

ALL prices are decided by supply and demand. NV are still more popular (i think) than ATI so they have more finances and tend to have more of an effect on the market.

The 7800 is being phased out so prices will remain high. There are still plenty of x1800's going about and they are newer than 7800 so prices will be low.

All supply and demand.

The ONLY time a company will price outside the supply and demand rule is if there is no competition. The X1800 arrived months later than expected so the 7800 had no competition so prices stayed the same and continue to do so - because people are willing to pay the prices (due to marketing and what ever else) and the fact that they are being phased out.

Can I just add an:

OH NOES my card is £120 cheaper I never buy ATI again!!!!! (joke obviously)

Nelly · 17 Mar 2006 at 00:13

Well my tactic for the next decent graphics card upgrade will be to wait till that card drops by £100 then I will purchase, will be an ATI card regardless of course seen as im an Ati person as the image quality has always had the edge for my personal preference - just wish there was more competition out there like when the 3DFX cards were on the go.

ATI v Nvidia, Nvidia v ATI - about time Matrox or XGI get there butts moving.