O'Neill to take over at West Ham

Jesus, Grant should walk rather than be fired by them but then, that really just gives them what they want.

Brady is one of the biggest ***** in football, utterly moronic thing to do, whats she thinking "we've got almost no hope of beating Arsenal, I know if I text the players asking them to revolt, that'll sure help".

She's been a pain in the arse and I get the feeling a lot of the rumours coming out of the board room are from her. Fire her, support the manager, give him some funds for a couple players, get the deals done this week rather than this month. Stop paying 80-95k a week for someone like Bridge(tbf, he's utterly not match fit and West Ham play a VERY strange VERY narrow back 4, for some reason all season with anyone at left/right back they have them very narrow and constantly caught out by wingers, its no where near Bridge's fault entirely).

Grant is a good manager, the problem is at Pompie the club was falling to pieces around him and the players, with a bloated rubbish squad with people like Kanu making a killing thanks to stupid owners/manager.

West Ham should have stuck by Zola, the players/managers at west ham have been under pressure since the day idiot and stupid hat took over a year ago. They've bought in stupid players at their own will ignoring the manager, they've constantly talked about replacing them and if they should be fired, you've got a gossip queen working for the Sun who never stops spreading rubbish while harming the club.

Frankly Grant's been utterly mistreated but O'neill would still do a more than good enough job there, and probably Brady's loose lips have cost West Ham the chance at a good manager. Assuming they still fire him, they'll almost certainly end up with a far far worse manager.

Though, is anyone starting to think Grant/Brady affair gone bad? :p
 
semi-pro waster said:
Certainly, I'm glad you asked. Mr O'Neill had a win record at Celtic of 75%, won 3 out of a possible 5 SPL titles, won 3 Scottish Cups, won 1 Scottish League Cup, had 7 consecutive wins in Old Firm matches and came the closest to winning the UEFA Cup (or any European Cup for that matter) with a Scottish club in 20 years.
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Not to mention getting Wycombe into the football league, shooting Leicester into the top flight (and doing bloody well there), and being Villa's best manager in years.

Apart from that, what did the Romans ever do for us?
 
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It is impossible to see a way in which David Gold, David Sullivan & Karren Brady could make themselves look more foolish and incompetent. God help the unfortunate players and staff at West Ham FC :rolleyes:

Avram Grant has consistently behaved with absolutely impeccable integrity and good manners, even if he is utterly soulless and apparently an incompetent manager - well done him!
 
semi-pro waster said:
Certainly, I'm glad you asked. Mr O'Neill had a win record at Celtic of 75%, won 3 out of a possible 5 SPL titles, won 3 Scottish Cups, won 1 Scottish League Cup, had 7 consecutive wins in Old Firm matches and came the closest to winning the UEFA Cup (or any European Cup for that matter) with a Scottish club in 20 years.

I'll be honest, before I looked it up I didn't know that his win percentage at Celtic was so high, I figured anything about 60-65% would be about the average for an Old Firm manager.

Now you can say that Rangers were comparatively poor during that period, that Martin O'Neill spent a lot of money, that his teams don't play attractive football and all those things may be true to greater or lesser extents (although Rangers had hardly been a model of frugality going into that period) but you can only beat what is in front of you and he did that, regularly.

It's worth also noting that in the UEFA Cup Final he was beaten by Jose Mourinho and there's no great shame in that considering his record. There's some interesting parallels you can draw between the two men - strong characters, often criticised for playing unattractive/defensive countering football, like to have a good amount of transfer money to succeed with, build teams from the back based on a strong defence, often choose players who are big/strong and play a physically imposing game.
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Being successful is Scotland is no measure of having success in a better league. With all due respect, beating Airdrie in some cup competition isn`t that big a deal

Even when he was supposed to be dominating up here, it was against a financially shot Rangers side yet he still could only win the same amount of trophies as Alex McLeish.

His football style was ugly, one dimensional "hoof it up the park" style and he preffered muscling the ball in to the net as oppose to any real creative, progressive football. All his best players were signed by other managers and many many goals came from set pieces won by 2 of the greatest divers i`ve ever watched in Scotland - Stillian Petrov and Henrick Larsson. When i say greatest, i mean that they perfected it like an art.

I simply don`t see him as some kind of managerial genius. If he was, he would have risen to the very top and at least have had a shot at one of the so called big 4.

Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea fans wouldn`t accept his type of football.

I`ll happily re-think if he succeeds at a big club but until then i think he is just a very ordinary manager.


To compare him to Mourhinio..... youre having a laugh right? :D
 
McRod said:
Being successful is Scotland is no measure of having success in a better league. With all due respect, beating Airdrie in some cup competition isn`t that big a deal

Even when he was supposed to be dominating up here, it was against a financially shot Rangers side yet he still could only win the same amount of trophies as Alex McLeish.
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No, you're right it's not a guarantee of having success in another league. I'd rate the league over a cup as a measure of a manager though since it's over a longer period. However it's not just down to that - comparative to the managers before and after him at pretty much every club he has ever managed his results were good.

McRod said:
His football style was ugly, one dimensional "hoof it up the park" style and he preffered muscling the ball in to the net as oppose to any real creative, progressive football. All his best players were signed by other managers and many many goals came from set pieces won by 2 of the greatest divers i`ve ever watched in Scotland - Stillian Petrov and Henrick Larsson. When i say greatest, i mean that they perfected it like an art.
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It may be ugly but it is rather effective. Out of interest can you acknowledge any Celtic player or manager as being good - not just in a backhanded way like "greatest diver" but actually straightforwardly say that a Celtic player is good or great?

McRod said:
I simply don`t see him as some kind of managerial genius. If he was, he would have risen to the very top and at least have had a shot at one of the so called big 4.

Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea fans wouldn`t accept his type of football.

I`ll happily re-think if he succeeds at a big club but until then i think he is just a very ordinary manager.
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Man Utd have had Sir Alex for over two decades and they've had massive success during that time so it's unlikely they'd be replacing him until/unless he retires so that's down to 3 out of the big 4. Arsene Wenger has been manager of Arsenal for over a decade and they've been fairly successful during that time period so we're down to 2 out of the big 4. Chelsea and Liverpool have both been options, he's had his name linked with Liverpool at least as far as I remember but aside from other considerations he would need to be available at the right time so I don't think it's a simple question of stating the fans wouldn't accept his style of football.

McRod said:
To compare him to Mourhinio..... youre having a laugh right? :D
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Style and character wise there are distinct similarities - I'm not saying that Martin O'Neill is as successful or as good a manager but I can see points of comparison.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Out of interest can you acknowledge any Celtic player or manager as being good - not just in a backhanded way like "greatest diver" but actually straightforwardly say that a Celtic player is good or great?.
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Of course i can, however the question would obviously have to be in context.

I have no issue in complimenting any of their current or ex-employees however the word "great" isn`t a word i would associate with many of them.

I`m old and wise enough to spot and appreciate talent when i see it however watching Scottish football for so long i feel i am better equipped to comment on very average players due to sheer volume.
 
lol @ Rangers fan refusing to accept anything Celtic do is good :p

I personally, don't rate O'Neill. I don't think he's a good manager, in response to the Leicester comments, he did well with a good side. I used to watch Leicester back then with a few friends and Leicester had a good team, O'Neill doesn't build squads, he builds teams and has a very narrow view on squad selection.
 
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