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Opinion - The 7800xt is not a good value card at it's current price when compared to a 4070

Even worse, thats now a no brainier to go with Nvidia. See I have been waiting for a month now first for 7800 release then for price to go normal. Had it launched properly at expected price I'd already own an AMD card. Now I will just wait for black Friday and aim to get a good deal on Nvidia. AMD cannot win because they are just unable to deliver...
At least on CPU front they do ok.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It ended yesterday - the RX7800XT is now essentially £50 more expensive.
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Or £100 more expensive than its UK MSRP release. It was possible to get a 7800 XT for £480 with Starfield premium. Sell the premium code for £40 - £50 and your GPU effectively cost £430 - £440. At that price and the fact the closest priced competitor was the 4060Ti 16GB, or the 4070 was considerably more expensive. It was no wonder it was seen as a very good GPU and why it reviewed well.

This is the opposite to how the usual AMD release goes. Release at a joke price, get bad reviews and even when the price eventually drops, the GPU will always be seen as “bad” due to long outdated reviews.

I think it should be ~10% cheaper than a 4070 to make it a viable purchase and realistically it should be no more than £490 at current exchange rates. It is price gouging that makes it look so unattractive here in the UK. Maybe with the Starfield code being dropped UK retailers will be force to stop gouging and we will see £480 or less for the 7800 XT.
 
randomdziad said:
Even worse, thats now a no brainier to go with Nvidia. See I have been waiting for a month now first for 7800 release then for price to go normal. Had it launched properly at expected price I'd already own an AMD card. Now I will just wait for black Friday and aim to get a good deal on Nvidia. AMD cannot win because they are just unable to deliver...
At least on CPU front they do ok.
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It launched at £480 for decent models and was possible to get them right up to about a week after launch. Or are you saying you wanted them even cheaper?
 
randomdziad said:
At least on CPU front they do ok.
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The common cry on here is "people just buy Nvidia no matter what AMD do".

People used to just buy Intel CPU's for a long time because AMD couldn't deliver. Then they released Ryzen.

AMD need to do a Ryzen in the GPU space and do it soon as they are in a vulnerable position. If they lose the console space next gen to Nvidia, their GPU division is kaput.
 
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The 7800XT has been a victim of its own success and has sold well so now retailers are back to scalping again.

I think the issue was that reviewers were overly positive on the 7800XT as most cards have been very poorly received this generation, some even went as far to say the 7800XT offered excellent value for money when in reality it was just an OK product at its price point and offered similar performance and a couple of extra features over the 6800XT which had been available at around £500 or less for almost a year now.

People rushed out to buy them so retailers tried to cash in on the demand, couple that with the 4070 price cut, the price creep on the 7800XT and the end of the Starfield promo and card just isn’t looking like anything special and has moved from an ok product towards being poor value.
 
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lovelyhead said:
The common cry on here is "people just buy Nvidia no matter what AMD do".

People used to just buy Intel CPU's for a long time because AMD couldn't deliver. Then they released Ryzen.

AMD need to do a Ryzen in the GPU space and do it soon as they are in a vulnerable position. If they lose the console space next gen to Nvidia, their GPU division is kaput.
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I don't think we're in any danger of Sony/Microsoft going to Nvidia, console gamers really don't care about ray tracing etc. They just want a box that plays the latest COD and FIFA to a decent level on their TV. Whilst the consoles are powered by AMD ray tracing will continue to be an optional extra.

Joxeon said:
The 7800XT has been a victim of its own success and has sold well so now retailers are back to scalping again.

I think the issue was that reviewers were overly positive on the 7800XT as most cards have been very poorly received this generation, some even went as far to say the 7800XT offered excellent value for money when in reality it was just an OK product at its price point and offered similar performance and a couple of extra features over the 6800XT which had been available at around £500 or less for almost a year now.

People rushed out to buy them so retailers tried to cash in on the demand, couple that with the 4070 price cut and the 7800XT isn’t looking like anything special abd has moved from an ok product towards being poor value.
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100% this.
 
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lovelyhead said:
The common cry on here is "people just buy Nvidia no matter what AMD do".

People used to just buy Intel CPU's for a long time because AMD couldn't deliver. Then they released Ryzen.

AMD need to do a Ryzen in the GPU space and do it soon as they are in a vulnerable position. If they lose the console space next gen to Nvidia, their GPU division is kaput.
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The problem is that nvidia is no Intel and they deliver big performance uplifts every generation.
If AMD pulls Ryzen in GPU space all nvidia has to do is drop prices to make them irrelevant again.
@humbug said it before and I totally agree with him on this one.
 
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Or £100 more expensive than its UK MSRP release. It was possible to get a 7800 XT for £480 with Starfield premium. Sell the premium code for £40 - £50 and your GPU effectively cost £430 - £440. At that price and the fact the closest priced competitor was the 4060Ti 16GB, or the 4070 was considerably more expensive. It was no wonder it was seen as a very good GPU and why it reviewed well.

This is the opposite to how the usual AMD release goes. Release at a joke price, get bad reviews and even when the price eventually drops, the GPU will always be seen as “bad” due to long outdated reviews.

I think it should be ~10% cheaper than a 4070 to make it a viable purchase and realistically it should be no more than £490 at current exchange rates. It is price gouging that makes it look so unattractive here in the UK. Maybe with the Starfield code being dropped UK retailers will be force to stop gouging and we will see £480 or less for the 7800 XT.
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Lots of UK retailers never got stock including the two I normally use. This is AMD treating the UK market as second tier unlike Nvidia.

With no Starfield it is now worth no more than £430. People forget the RX7800XT is really an RX7700XT. The RTX4070 is an RTX4060TI.

They both should be £350 to £450 cards.

£480 isn't good enough with RTX4070 cards being available on deals for almost £500 for a few months. If I wasn't prepared to spend £500+ on an RTX4070 then it won't happen with an RX7800XT. People forget Diablo 4 was also bundled with the RTX4070.

I have just given up. Time for a console.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Lots of UK retailers never got stock including the two I normally use. This is AMD treating the UK market as second tier unlike Nvidia.

With no Starfield it is now worth no more than £430. People forget the RX7800XT is really an RX7700XT. The RTX4070 is an RTX4060TI.

They both should be £350 to £450 cards.

£480 isn't good enough with RTX4070 cards being available on deals for almost £500 for a few months. If I wasn't prepared to spend £500+ on an RTX4070 then it won't happen with an RX7800XT.

I have just given up. Time for a console.
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I don't think I could name enough UK retailers that sell PC hardware to use the term lots :D. What two do you normally buy from then?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Lots of UK retailers never got stock including the two I normally use. This is AMD treating the UK market as second tier unlike Nvidia.

With no Starfield it is now worth no more than £430. People forget the RX7800XT is really an RX7700XT. The RTX4070 is an RTX4060TI.

They both should be £350 to £450 cards.

£480 isn't good enough with RTX4070 cards being available on deals for almost £500 for a few months. If I wasn't prepared to spend £500+ on an RTX4070 then it won't happen with an RX7800XT. People forget Diablo 4 was also bundled with the RTX4070.

I have just given up. Time for a console.
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I'm sorry but the part about UK stock is patently not true when you do a but of looking. There is stock here in the UK right now and it was avaialble in many places on release. But it is being price gouged slightly and that is not down to AMD, that is down to UK retailers. In the EU it is available for just about MSRP as well.

At MSRP the 7800 XT should be £490 vs £540 for the 4070, that 10% difference along with a ~7% higher raster performance is arguably just enough to make the 7800 XT a compelling option. It is not available to UK buyers at those prices and that is not down to AMD. I do agree with your point that both are overpriced and IMHO AMD need to drop prices to about £450 max and the 4070 should be £490 max. So both should be sub £500 GPUs.
 
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Another potential wildcard that could really damage AMD is an Intel based next gen console. Intel might even be more plausible than Nvidia as they already produce x86 CPU's.

Either way, AMD need to do more than release GPU's that are slightly faster, for slightly cheaper that have inferior features if they ever hope to increase market share in the PC GPU space. They need to be radical.
 
lovelyhead said:
Another potential wildcard that could really damage AMD is an Intel based next gen console. Intel might even be more plausible than Nvidia as they already produce x86 CPU's.

Either way, AMD need to do more than release GPU's that are slightly faster, for slightly cheaper that have inferior features if they ever hope to increase market share in the PC GPU space. They need to be radical.
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Please buy a Nvidia 4070 already and be done with it lol!

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GhostDog1981 said:
Please buy a Nvidia 4070 already and be done with it lol!

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Why? Do you think me buying a 4070 will stop other people being disappointed with the meh offering's from AMD and creating threads about it?

The 7800xt is a good GPU, with average features at a bad price. The 4070 is a good GPU, with the best available features at a bad price.

I will be waiting until one of the GPU's drops a bit in price before buying. The 7800xt is still a contender but it has to be a good chunk cheaper than the 4070 for me to go with it instead.
 
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