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Opinion - The 7800xt is not a good value card at it's current price when compared to a 4070

ICDP said:
I'm sorry but the part about UK stock is patently not true when you do a but of looking. There is stock here in the UK right now and it was avaialble in many places on release. But it is being price gouged slightly and that is not down to AMD, that is down to UK retailers. In the EU it is available for just about MSRP as well.

At MSRP the 7800 XT should be £490 vs £540 for the 4070, that 10% difference along with a ~7% higher raster performance is arguably just enough to make the 7800 XT a compelling option. It is not available to UK buyers at those prices and that is not down to AMD. I do agree with your point that both are overpriced and IMHO AMD need to drop prices to about £450 max and the 4070 should be £490 max. So both should be sub £500 GPUs.
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All the retailers I normally use never got stock. Ocuk didn't have stock at launch too. It was a soft launch in the UK.
Price gouging happened as stock was limited.

I blame AMD as they had 10 months after the RX7900 series launch to make cards and 5 months after the RTX4070. There is some real problem with chiplet GPUs and it might be packaging bottlenecks.

Chiplets have been a disaster.

The same thing happened during the Pandemic too. It's why I ended up with an RTX3060TI instead of an RX6700XT.

With no Starfield the pricing is now terrible.
 
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TNA said:
FTFY :D

AMD copying Nvidia pricing instead of taking the opportunity and giving us consumers a good is even more embarrassing in my book.
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Yup and now that more thorough testing of fsr 3 is coming through with actual measurements of latency then things like vrr and hdr not working shows exactly why Nvidia can charge a premium as no matter what people say, Nvidia are just simply too far ahead and can charge that premium for those who just want an experience that "just works".... If you're happy with a sub par experience and just a "good enough" view point as well as waiting for a better experience then no doubt, amd is the one to go with if you don't value said features etc.

Glad to see hub are now pointing it out as well as again, there is no one to blame here except amd, it's not nvidias fault if they charging ahead and amd are the ones copying them only to under deliver.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
And launching 5 months afterwards. Then making sure stock is limited and making their free game promo end soon after.
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The thing is that they'll continue to bleed marketshare. Right now their products are late to the party, behind in feature set and they have no halo product to uplift the rest of the lineup from a marketing standpoint. When they do finally get around to having their version of the features set implemented, it's never better.

None of this mattered much during covid era but now that supply is normal, them being close to nvidia on the pricing just makes the lineup undesirable.

Their best offering is the 7900xtx which is ~$200 behind the 4080 and came with a game. That's their best offering and I can't fault someone buying it over a 4080. I'll using USD as that's a more stable pricing market with less retailer scalping.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
All the retailers I normally use never got stock. Ocuk didn't have stock at launch too. It was a soft launch in the UK.
Price gouging happened as stock was limited.

I blame AMD as they had 10 months after the RX7900 series launch to make cards and 5 months after the RTX4070. There is some real problem with chiplet GPUs and it might be packaging bottlenecks.

Chiplets have been a disaster.

The same thing happened during the Pandemic too. It's why I ended up with an RTX3060TI instead of an RX6700XT.

With no Starfield the pricing is now terrible.
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It is not a soft launch if it has been in almost constant stock in the UK since launch and for a significant portion of that time it has been available at MSRP, or only slightly above it. The fact it was not available in some retailers is irrelevant, just that you could get it somewhere and still can. The fact it is now price gouged here in the UK is not on purely on AMD.

I agree the loss of Starfield is a big problem for VFM and IMHO the MSRP price needs to drop. So the only issue we can blame on AMD is their reluctance to respond to Nvidia's 4060Ti and 4070 price drops. I agree that at its current price point with no Starfield it is NOT good value, though obvioulsy neither is the the 4070 or 4060Ti(s).

I believe chiplets are still viable and will take some work to perfect, not pain free but hardly a disaster. The concept is very sound but will need a bit more time to perfect.
 
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lovelyhead said:
Why? Do you think me buying a 4070 will stop other people being disappointed with the meh offering's from AMD and creating threads about it?

The 7800xt is a good GPU, with average features at a bad price. The 4070 is a good GPU, with the best available features at a bad price.

I will be waiting until one of the GPU's drops a bit in price before buying. The 7800xt is still a contender but it has to be a good chunk cheaper than the 4070 for me to go with it instead.
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Not going to happen, if Navi 32 doesn't sell they will use the 5nm capacity to make the PS5 Pro. they are not bankrupting themselves for you.
 
Robert896r1 said:
Their best offering is the 7900xtx which is ~$200 behind the 4080 and came with a game. That's their best offering and I can't fault someone buying it over a 4080. I'll using USD as that's a more stable pricing market with less retailer scalping.
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The 7900XTX is also poor value. It is on par with the 4080 performance wise but going with OCUK pricing is only 9% cheaper. An extra 9% for the superior features when you are already spending just shy of a grand is a no brainer.

The 7900XTX needs to be £800 to the 4080's £1000 if AMD want to gain market share. But even then people will still want the best features.

I think AMD is basically screwed unless they can achieve feature parity with nVidia.
 
Only so many AMD fans for Lisa to wheel out a very late, expensive card with similar or less performance than the card its name it suggests it's replacing, the 6800xt. There are no bad video cards, only bad pricing, exception being the 6500XT, that thing is a rip off for free.

Nvidia can get away with a small premium as they are the the market/brand leader with the features that appeal to many gamers, AMD needs to compete with much cheaper prices and or better developed features that can match or beat Nvidia. I would go Radeon in a heat beat if they did get their software at or above GeForce level, for an all AMD rig.

But right now AMD is playing catchup with their Aliexpress features trying hard to be Nvidia, but don't expect sales/market share when you price your cards at roughly the same as Nvidia. This is blindingly obvious looking at rdna 3 numbers in the steam survey. Currently AMD is not an Nvidia competitor, they are a partner in price fixing the market.
 
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lovelyhead said:
You are right. That is why I think AMD is in a death spiral now in the PC GPU space. Unless they can achieve feature parity with nVidia there is no saving them.
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They are not in a death spiral, they are doing very well, they would do better getting out of dGPU's, at least in the high end, which it looks like they are doing.
 
humbug said:
They are not in a death spiral, they are doing very well, they would do better getting out of dGPU's, at least in the high end, which it looks like they are doing.
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Doing very well when they barely have 10% market share in a three horse race? One of the horse's stumbled out of the gate on their debut race and are already nipping at the heals of AMD.

AMD isn't even doing that great in the business GPU market having only 17% market share. If someone comes along with a better offer to Microsoft and Sony, AMD's GPU business is in big trouble.
 
lovelyhead said:
Doing very well when they barely have 10% market share in a three horse race? One of the horse's stumbled out of the gate on their debut race and are already nipping at the heals of AMD.

AMD isn't even doing that great in the business GPU market having only 17% market share. If someone comes along with a better offer to Microsoft and Sony, AMD's GPU business is in big trouble.
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AMD's primary business is CPU's, then SoC's and last dGPU's.
 
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