Opinion - The 7800xt is not a good value card at it's current price when compared to a 4070

[Robert896r1]

The 7900XTX is also poor value. It is on par with the 4080 performance wise but going with OCUK pricing is only 9% cheaper. An extra 9% for the superior features when you are already spending just shy of a grand is a no brainer.

The 7900XTX needs to be £800 to the 4080's £1000 if AMD want to gain market share. But even then people will still want the best features.

I think AMD is basically screwed unless they can achieve feature parity with nVidia.

It’s why I mentioned US pricing as that’s more stable and the gap has been consistent.

When I’m over there around late Oct, I need to pick up a gpu for a family member. If the delta between the 7800xt and 4070 is $70 or more, I’ll get amd. If not, 4070. Pretty easy math for me.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Or get good and compete, that's an option. They did it with Ryzen.

I think the 4070 will prove to be a similar story to the 3070ti/3070/3060ti in terms of vram and poor longevity.

7800XT is a great deal considering its cheaper than previous 6800XT RRP and has more power efficacy and has better longevity in raster.

Nvidia have perfected the art of making mugs feel they’re being done a favour lol. Stockholm syndrome much?

 

[RavenXXX2]

Amd nearly folded before ryzen, they can easily take on nvidia if they had the will to do so.

 

[RavenXXX2]

I think the 4070 will prove to be a similar story to the 3070ti/3070/3060ti in terms of vram and poor longevity.

7800XT is a great deal considering its cheaper than previous 6800XT RRP and has more power efficacy and has better longevity in raster.

Nvidia have perfected the art of making mugs feel they’re being done a favour lol. Stockholm syndrome much?

Mate I'm not interested in fanboy wars.

 

[humbug]

How many time have ATI and AMD come up with some cracking cards? and gained nothing vs Nvidia, even when Nvidia made some absolute junk, they still sold more.

 

[humbug]

People only want AMD to compete so they can get cheaper Nvidia cards.

That's not a viable business model for anyone but Nvidia.

 

[lovelyhead]

People only want AMD to compete so they can get cheaper Nvidia cards.

That's not a viable business model for anyone but Nvidia.

I don't. I want AMD to be nVidia's equal so there is competition. If an AMD card has just as good features and just as good performance then I would go with the cheapest card whether it is AMD or nVidia. I am all about bang for buck. Every PC component I have ever bought was based on what delivers the best bang for buck. That is why my current system is a Ryzen 5600 and a 3060ti as both of those at the time of purchase offered the best price to performance in my budget. I have no brand loyalty because they don't care about me.

 

[humbug]

I don't. I want AMD to be nVidia's equal so there is competition. If an AMD card has just as good features and just as good performance then I would go with the cheapest card whether it is AMD or nVidia. I am all about bang for buck. Every PC component I have ever bought was based on what delivers the best bang for buck. That is why my current system is a Ryzen 5600 and a 3060ti as both of those at the time of purchase offered the best price to performance in my budget. I have no brand loyalty because they don't care about me.

There is competition right now, the 7700XT would be perfect for you, but what you want is the Nvidia card even though you can't afford it, you know Nvidia will never volunteer to reduce it to where you can afford it so you look to AMD to force it.

That is what EVERYONE does.

 

[Joxeon]

The 7900XTX is also poor value. It is on par with the 4080 performance wise but going with OCUK pricing is only 9% cheaper. An extra 9% for the superior features when you are already spending just shy of a grand is a no brainer.

The 7900XTX needs to be £800 to the 4080's £1000 if AMD want to gain market share. But even then people will still want the best features.

I think AMD is basically screwed unless they can achieve feature parity with nVidia.

The 3080 was £650, the 4080 is 48% faster so the minimum price just to deliver the same price to performance as last gen would be £962 but I’d argue it should be much better than that.

 

[lovelyhead]

How many time have ATI and AMD come up with some cracking cards? and gained nothing vs Nvidia, even when Nvidia made some absolute junk, they still sold more.

The RX 7600 was / is outselling the 4060ti.

I hear the line "Nvidia always outsells AMD no matter what AMD does" quite a lot but it isn't actually true.

If nVidia release a bad product like the 4060ti then people will buy the better AMD card. The problem for AMD is that nVidia very rarely releases a bad product.

 

[lovelyhead]

There is competition right now, the 7700XT would be perfect for you, but what you want is the Nvidia card even though you can't afford it, you know Nvidia will never volunteer to reduce it to where you can afford it so you look to AMD to force it.

That is what EVERYONE does.

Quite rude and presumptuous from you there.

You are also ignoring what I wrote.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 3080 was £650, the 4080 is 48% faster so the minimum price just to deliver the same price to performance as last gen would be £962 but I’d argue it should be much better than that.

The RX7800XT now essentially is £530 for me with the loss of the Starfield bundle. Still no stock from a bunch of large retailers. They just did a Jebait of consumers. Trickle some stock out at RRP and on purpose make sure the street price is much higher.

The RTX4070 at launch was available from lots of retailers.

The £480 price for the RX7800XT was poor when the RTX3060TI was £370.The RX6700XT at £420 was overpriced too.

Only the free Starfield bundle made it viable as it essentially dropped the price by £50.

Now at essentially £530(if the RRP is met) without the bundle an RTX4070 is cheaper at the same price because it comes with a freebie.

If Nvidia bundle Alan Wake 2 like they did Diablo 4,then the RX7800XT is finished at current pricing without Starfield.

It launched 5 months after the RTX4070 FFS. This is Vega all over again. Launch into some markets at "RRP" to make them look much cheaper than Nvidia. But in reality they are not really that much cheaper.

Meanwhile if you bought that Nvidia card you had months of better gaming performance.

Now we have the rubbish hype for price/performance kings in Navi 40 series. Probably just copy Nvidia pricing, launch late and put a bit more VRAM.

This is the reason their sales share is in the toilet. They have zero faith in their products and rely on the sympathy vote. This is why they don't produce enough stock to make sure all retailers had stock.

This is why they CBA to make enough cards to sell over here at all big retailers. They just targeted two companies at launch for RRP pricing with actual stock and I am doubtful there was much stock because it didn't last long and the price went up after that. Same as Vega in the UK.

This whole generation they have tried to Jebait their own customers.

The RX7900XT and RX7900XT performance slides were lies. Then the naming was misleading on purpose.

The RX7800XT naming was misleading. Then the RX7700XT being priced very high like the RX7900XT was.

Then trying to charge £900 for the RX7900XT. Now pretending the RX7800XT is cheaper when it is not and dropping the Starfield bundle.

When people look at all this, then how can anyone say what Nvidia is doing is crap and defend AMD?

If both are arses now, might as well get the arse which gets out its products quicker.

As usual their stupid Jebait tactics fail and they have to discount their cards. If they launched the cards properly, made sure their features were in games at launch(FSR3) and lots of stock they would sell. They don't do any of this and rely on sympathy to explain away why their sales are not good. At this rate Intel will replace AMD by merely stumbling around.

It's already happening in laptops with Intel dGPUs having more share!

 

[ICDP]

Mild correction, the RRP is £490. Still too high but not £530.

 

[Ross Thomson]

The problem is that nvidia is no Intel and they deliver big performance uplifts every generation.

you've seen the 4060ti and 3060ti comparisons right.

 

[uscool]

The problem is that nvidia is no Intel and they deliver big performance uplifts every generation.

huh, are you looking anything below the 4090 ? , also look what turing gave us ??

 

[z10m]

People are comparing Nvidia GPUs to Intel CPUs from before 8th gen, but the difference is that Nvidia was delivering 30% and more performance uplift every gen on their flagship GPUs while Intel was delivering 5% uplift on their top end mainstream CPUs.
No wonder AMD caught up with Intel.
This is why I say that all Nvidia has to do I lower prices to make AMD irrelevant.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Mild correction, the RRP is £490. Still too high but not £530.

It is now with no Starfield. The effective price is now £50 more for me, because the game is not included. Nvidia includes OW2 freebies which can be sold to get a few quid off the price. So the effective price difference is not big because more RTX4070 cards come on offer. The RX7800XT has gone the other way.

If Nvidia bundle Alan Wake 2 like they did with Diablo 4,the RX7800XT is not going to look good at all.

So the RX7800XT needs a £50 price cut to £430. Which won't happen because AMD are a premium brand now.

 

[Ross Thomson]

It is now with no Starfield. The effective price is now £50 more for me, because the game is not included. Nvidia includes OW2 freebies which can be sold to get a few quid off the price.

So the RX7800XT needs a £50 price cut to £430.

That assumes you would actually buy starfield.

 

[Joxeon]

huh, are you looking anything below the 4090 ? , also look what turing gave us ??

When you look at card prices this gen compared to the ones at similar prices as last gen the uplifts look like this
3090 > 4090 +70%
3080ti > 4080 +30%
3080 12gb > 4070ti +14%
3070ti > 4070 +14%
3070 > 4060ti 16gb -5%
3060ti > 4060ti +11%
3060 > 4060 + 18%

Other than the 4080 and 4090 nothing else offers more than 20% over last gen.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That assumes you would actually buy starfield.

You can sell it you don't want it. Either way the RX7800XT is very poorly priced now. I criticised the RTX4070 for poor pricing and now AMD wants to do the same.

I have no interest in paying anywhere near £500 for what is really an RX7700XT.

The included game just about made it OK at £480. The pricing is still rubbish at £480.

It's a sub £450 card like the RTX4070 should be. At this point I will just stick with what I have. If AMD like Nvidia wants to target their uberfans then they can have them.

I am just fed up with all these companies now. Better things to spend my money on TBH which won't make me feel like I overpaid.