Osama bin Laden is dead - no graphic/violent images.

As someone mentioned above i watched about 10mins of QT last night and was absolutely... well shocked/confused how people were defending bin Laden and treating him as though he had been the victim of a firing squad?

What also amazed me is that Paddy Ashdown (a man who should be no stranger to Terrorism or genocidal maniacs) to say that bin Laden should have stood trial? What?, because of people like him a man responsible for 10's of thousands of deaths got away without a guilty verdict... because he seems to be unrepenting that law is his "highest order?" the same "law" that doesn't even look to accommodate instances such as these. If bin Laden did get taken in to face trial this would take decades, cost $billions.

You also had that Asian lady saying it was wrong of the Americans to shoot an unarmed man... i'm sorry but 3,500+ unarmed people on 9/11 and 7/7 didn't get that same courtesy. She also started bleating on about an independant investigation. If you want an investigation, by all means carry one out, but it will not in any way be funded by tax payers, if her chums at HRW and Amnesty want an investigation, use their own funds to give them their "moral crusade" against common sense.

Douglas Manning (iirc) has always got a generally correct view on anything like this that is this controversial. He summed it up in the most sensible way "I'm glad that he's gone". And equally so i felt that the Transport Minister kept himself fairly neutral in that opinion didn't come through much.

Is it me or does the public want bin Laden still to be alive?

I will be watching the rest of the programme tonight on iPlayer and no doubt it doesn't get any better.

One final note: typical of the British "high society" to eagerly defend bin Laden!
 
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simulatorman said:
Show some proof that they made it up.
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come on sim man
the whole think is a far fetched story being made up day by day
this has been some purely to give obama a rating boost
people need to stop and think what it is they are really BEING TOLD on the news channels, they own us, they tell us what happening, we believe what we are shown because we dont know any different,
ofcousre osama was going to mark the 10th anniversary and what a good job they did stop him, i bet within a few days we will be told over here that he was also planning a uk event too.
what was stopping them from locating him, doing what they did but instead of broadcasting to the world be have killed osama, they just assasinate him and keep quiet ? instead they do this, obama goes to ground zero and the crackpots in al queda get even more mad and angry as they will see it as a **** you.
the whole thing has just got about 50 degrees hotter and soon the **** will really hit the fan
 
Al Qaeda confirm that Bin Laden has been killed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Al-Qaeda has confirmed the death of its leader Osama Bin Laden, according to a statement attributed to the group and posted on jihadist internet forums.

The statement said his blood would not be "wasted" and that al-Qaeda would continue attacking the US and allies.

It said Bin Laden's death would be a "curse" for the US and urged an uprising in Pakistan.

Bin Laden died on Monday when US commandos stormed his compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad.

The statement comes as several rallies are being held across Pakistan in protest at Monday's raid.
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May shut some of the naysayers up?
 
RaohNS said:
As someone mentioned above i watched about 10mins of QT last night and was absolutely... well shocked/confused how people were defending bin Laden and treating him as though he had been the victim of a firing squad?
You also had that Asian lady saying it was wrong of the Americans to shoot an unarmed man... i'm sorry but 3,500+ unarmed people on 9/11 and 7/7 didn't get that same courtesy. She also started bleating on about an independant investigation. If you want an investigation, by all means carry one out, but it will not in any way be funded by tax payers, if her chums at HRW and Amnesty want an investigation, use their own funds to give them their "moral crusade" against common sense.

Is it me or does the public want bin Laden still to be alive?

I will be watching the rest of the programme tonight on iPlayer and no doubt it doesn't get any better.

One final note: typical of the British "high society" to eagerly defend bin Laden!
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Its ok though, she got owned by that young neo-conservative, can't remember his name, was sitting on the fair left...... urm as in his actual seat :p

So Al-Qaeda have admitted hes dead, might squash some peoples doubt. I predict this response. "lololol its not tha truths there lullling yus into false sense of secutiry"
 
The statement said his blood would not be "wasted" and that al-Qaeda would continue attacking the US and allies.

It said Bin Laden's death would be a "curse" for the US and urged an uprising in Pakistan.
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Ominous.
 
Deific said:
AcidHell, I'm trying to work out why you are so absolutely adamant that anyone who gives ear to the conspiracy theories is a nut job, and defend (to hell and back it seems) every goverment action.

You seem to embrace any official word as the godspoken truth, and pass off any questionable doubt as the fantastical imagination of nutcases.

Below is the mans CV and yet you've already called him a nut - despite him being far more qualified, far more knowledgable, and certainly far closer to the core of it all than yourself;

'Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.'


You almost seem absolutely terrified that our goverments could be deceiving people, to the point where you will blindly refute any proof otherwise. You've said they could release offical photos and videos etc. of Osama dead and what not - and the conpiracy nuts would still not believe it true - but I'm thinking you're exactly that but at the other end of the argument. You wouldn't believe it were it to smack you in the face. I almost see you recoiling in horror at the thought of having been lied to.

Do you honestly believe that the men who have the keys to the world, would not use it to their own benefit? Man is greedy. It's only logical.

What is illogical, is Man with the keys and doing nothing with them. This goes against what Man is.

Why do you believe one man over another? One has far more to gain by lying than the other, and that is the one in charge.
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I love you mate (no homo) :D
 
RaohNS said:
As someone mentioned above i watched about 10mins of QT last night and was absolutely... well shocked/confused how people were defending bin Laden and treating him as though he had been the victim of a firing squad?

What also amazed me is that Paddy Ashdown (a man who should be no stranger to Terrorism or genocidal maniacs) to say that bin Laden should have stood trial? What?, because of people like him a man responsible for 10's of thousands of deaths got away without a guilty verdict... because he seems to be unrepenting that law is his "highest order?" the same "law" that doesn't even look to accommodate instances such as these. If bin Laden did get taken in to face trial this would take decades, cost $billions.

You also had that Asian lady saying it was wrong of the Americans to shoot an unarmed man... i'm sorry but 3,500+ unarmed people on 9/11 and 7/7 didn't get that same courtesy. She also started bleating on about an independant investigation. If you want an investigation, by all means carry one out, but it will not in any way be funded by tax payers, if her chums at HRW and Amnesty want an investigation, use their own funds to give them their "moral crusade" against common sense.

Douglas Manning (iirc) has always got a generally correct view on anything like this that is this controversial. He summed it up in the most sensible way "I'm glad that he's gone". And equally so i felt that the Transport Minister kept himself fairly neutral in that opinion didn't come through much.

Is it me or does the public want bin Laden still to be alive?

I will be watching the rest of the programme tonight on iPlayer and no doubt it doesn't get any better.

One final note: typical of the British "high society" to eagerly defend bin Laden!
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hear hear
 
GJ02 said:
come on sim man
the whole think is a far fetched story being made up day by day
this has been some purely to give obama a rating boost
people need to stop and think what it is they are really BEING TOLD on the news channels, they own us, they tell us what happening, we believe what we are shown because we dont know any different,
ofcousre osama was going to mark the 10th anniversary and what a good job they did stop him, i bet within a few days we will be told over here that he was also planning a uk event too.
what was stopping them from locating him, doing what they did but instead of broadcasting to the world be have killed osama, they just assasinate him and keep quiet ? instead they do this, obama goes to ground zero and the crackpots in al queda get even more mad and angry as they will see it as a **** you.
the whole thing has just got about 50 degrees hotter and soon the **** will really hit the fan
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Really? Al-qaeda have kinda lost touch lately...

"Well, he and his fellow psychopaths did succeed in killing thousands in North America and Western Europe, but in the past few years, their main military triumphs have been against such targets as Afghan schoolgirls, Shiite Muslim civilians, and defenseless synagogues in Tunisia and Turkey. Has there ever been a more contemptible leader from behind, or a commander who authorized more blanket death sentences on bystanders?" - Christopher Hitchens
 
I didnt watch QT, but seriously there are so many people actually defending Osama's right to a trial before being killed?

Is the west going absolutely bonkers?

Actually, ok fair enough. Forget trials, and forget all his guilt. We should have just put him in a house in the UK on housing benefits and incapacity benefit from the taxpayers pockets for the amount of mental trauma and depression the last 10 years have caused him.

If anyone tries to object, or act out against him, they should be jailed for 2 years for inciting racial hatred.
 
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